Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

Sounds like this Piled High & Dry teacher could have been mentored by the infamous Word Salad Specialist -- good ol' Kamala.

Well @Rufus buddy, I see that once again you find PhD level study unpalatable if not repulsive. Otherwise you would seek to know it and then keep digging until you hit bedrock.

You see @Rufus , most Calvinists around here are "dropouts" and "flunkies" who flunked out of everything. Stygian Biblical illiteracy a result of their own CHOICE. Also disinterest in the exertions required of OVERCOMING.

Superb lectures were OFFERED. Yet RECEIVED NOT.

And as you can see the results are appalling, with Calvinists striking out and flunking whenever a question regarding the correct exegesis of Scripture is raised.

Most of their rhetoric consists of sneaky walk-backs, vague Bible tweets coupled with shrill condemnations and brutal accusatory diatribes.

Bummer to be a Calvinist. Sorry fake sorry.

 

[Rufus]

Why should I admit that the Holy Spirit has failed me?

So...your human, fallible, finite teacher is God in your world? Why am I not surprised since your whole theology exalts man while dismissing sin, its devastating effects upon all humanity and ultimately denigrates God.

 

[cv5]

But God's omniscience doesn't acquire knowledge. An omniscient God does not have to learn anything his creation. Furthermore, I have already proved that foreknowledge speaks to divine prerogative, not his prescience. Act 2:23 alone makes this abundantly clear -- "plan and foreknowledge" -- in this logical the biblical order.

Yea, we know you flunked of "predestined" class too buddy. We all saw it go down in real time lol.

 

[Rufus]

Well @Rufus buddy, I see that once again you find PhD level study unpalatable if not repulsive. Otherwise you would seek to know it and then keep digging until you hit bedrock.

You see @Rufus , most Calvinists around here are "dropouts" and "flunkies" who flunked out of everything. Stygian Biblical illiteracy a result of their own CHOICE. Also disinterest in the exertions required of OVERCOMING.

Superb lectures were OFFERED. Yet RECEIVED NOT.

And as you can see the results are appalling, with Calvinists striking out and flunking whenever a question regarding the correct exegesis of Scripture is raised.

Most of their rhetoric consists of sneaky walk-backs, vague Bible tweets coupled with shrill condemnations and brutal accusatory diatribes.

Bummer to be a Calvinist. Sorry fake sorry.

What is "unpalatable" is wanna-be Piled High and Dry theology teachers who only offer diplomas to their grads from their Dumbed Down studies.

 

[Rufus]

Yea, we know you flunked of "predestined" class too buddy. We all saw it go down in real time lol.

But I know what Act 2:23 teaches, which puts me many miles ahead of you.

 

[Rufus]

My beef is with tulipism, so I do not track who has said what, but only object to anyone denying that God loves everyone.
The concerns of those who accept TULIP—to affirm the sovereignty of God and the inability of souls to earn salvation—are valid,
but the solutions are problematic, because they deny or ignore Scripture teaching the love of God for all sinners and the moral accountability of sinners for rejecting the love of God, thereby effectively perverting the Gospel (Gal. 5:6) and impugning God’s justness/righteousness (Psa. 33:5, Isa. 9:7), which is tantamount to blasphemy.

The apparent reasons for these errors are threefold: 1. Ignorance of Scripture that contradicts their dogma, such as those teaching the possibility of apostasy, 2. Viewing faith as a meritorious work rather than as the non-meritorious condition of cooperating with God’s grace, and 3. Unconcern about portraying God as unjust by showing favoritism toward the elect. Once these errors are cured by including Scripture supporting MFW, doctrinal harmony is enhanced.

Explain exactly how God can show favoritism toward the elect? As I asked previously in my 17,091 to which I received a response of crickets: On what grounds would God base such "favoritism": Ethnicity, Social, Cultural, Economic, Geographical? Or are some sinners more righteous than others? OR...because God Sovereignly favored some people with gifts that He hasn't given to others?

 

[Rufus]

Jesus' words in Matthew 13 v 11-13 (Mark 4 v 11-12; Luke 8 v 10) Prophecy of Isaiah 6 v 9 Fulfilled ~
The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand .’

Wow! Looks like Jesus clearly played FAVORITES, doesn't it? He let his own sheep in on the secrets of the kingdom but the goats...not so much! Who would have ever thunk that Jesus had the right to do with his own creation as he wills?

 

[cv5]

That's a lie! Where have I have said what you posted.

Scripture doesn't teach that sin entered the world by an act of God. Was it God who ran and hid from A&E because He felt guilty and was too ashamed to admit to a huge screw up?

Running and hiding from your "double predestination" hyper-Calvinist doctrine are we?

Shades of Genesis 3 type hiding going down I see right little buddy?

 

[cv5]

But I know what Act 2:23 teaches, which puts me many miles ahead of you.

Just another verse that you flunked out on little buddy. It's been properly exegeted, but to ears that were stopped while shouting denial.

Remind you of another verse in Acts perhaps?

 

[Doll]

The Holy Spirit is here standing ready to help and teach and guide ALL THOSE who ASK Him.

So,we call him?

John 6:44, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them.

 

[Cameron143]

So,we call him?

John 6:44, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them.

You might want to let him know that no one can call Jesus Lord except by the Holy Spirit also...1 Corinthians 12:3.

 

[cv5]

So,we call him?

John 6:44, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them.

So who is He drawing? Calvinists only? Or all men without partiality?

 

[Rufus]

Running and hiding from your "double predestination" hyper-Calvinist doctrine are we?

Shades of Genesis 3 type hiding going down I see right little buddy?

What does "double predestination" (to which I do subscribe) have to do with God causing anyone to sin? If anyone is hiding, it's you FWers! You guys should be thankful and praising God for giving fallen, sinful man free reign to do whatever his evil nature desires, since He's not forcing sinners to go against their own nature. You guys are such hypocrites, clearly wanting to have it both ways!

 

[Doll]

For the record, I actually support Gotquestions.org in more ways than one; however, I don't agree with everything they write. They're dead wrong on Adam because their exegesis is seriously flawed. A great example of this can be seen with the passage they quote from Gen 4 whereby the WOMAN ALONE acknowledged God and credited Him for giving her a son; yet, the site carelessly also gave credit to Adam also! But where is Adam in the text, save for the fact that he obviously did have intimate relations with Eve to proreate their first offspring?

Perhaps you can answer the question: To whose seed (serpent's or the woman's) did God consign Adam?

Eves. Because the two were one.
Here's a question.

If the serpent in the Scripture was a serpent,why would God put enmity,hostility,between Eve's seed, (eggs) and the serpent's seed (sperm)?

 

[Rufus]

Just another verse that you flunked out on little buddy. It's been properly exegeted, but to ears that were stopped while shouting denial.

Remind you of another verse in Acts perhaps?

Not by or any other heretic on this thread.

 

[cv5]

So,we call him?

John 6:44, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them.

Here you go. So then now how many people exactly constitute these "sinners"? Half dozen? Or literally everyone?

[Mat 9:13 KJV] 13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
[Mar 2:17 KJV] 17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
[Luk 5:32 KJV] 32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[Rufus]

Eves. Because the two were one.
Here's a question.

If the serpent in the Scripture was a serpent,why would God put enmity,hostility,between Eve's seed, (eggs) and the serpent's seed (sperm)?

But God didn't treat them the same, did he? In fact, there are a few ways A&E can easily be contrasted in the post-fall narrative, which should not come as a surprise since Adam is always contrasted with the Last Adam in scripture.

Furthermore, to take your A&E oneness rebuttal to its logical conclusion, then why isn't Eve also charged with the mankind's fallen condition in Rom 5:12ff and in 1Cor 15? Or why didn't Paul see Adam as also being deceived by the serpent, since A&E were one? And if they're both one, then does this mean today that a husband answers for his wife's sins and vice versa? If a man's wife goes off-the-spiritual rails into apostasy and falls away from the faith, does he get condemned on the last day with her?

The seed spoken of in Gen 3:15 is not physical seed. It's spiritual seed! Did the promised Messiah physically descend from Eve?

P.S. One more thing: Gen 3:15 talks about Eve's DOWNLINE spiritual descendants -- descendants that proceed from her godly line, such as the promised Messiah. But Adam never proceeded from Eve.

 

[lrs68]

Scripture is crystal clear: God only loves the righteous, God-fearers, believers and those who love Him and his Son. It's not possible for God to love anything that is evil since at its very core God's love is holy, righteous and good and, therefore, can only love what is Good.

I've literally read 50 posts about how evil natural man is from you. At one time you were natural man. This means you were evil to the very core. How did God love something as evil as you since you are now saved?

 

[Rufus]

Eves. Because the two were one.
Here's a question.

If the serpent in the Scripture was a serpent,why would God put enmity,hostility,between Eve's seed, (eggs) and the serpent's seed (sperm)?

One other biblical principle comes to mind that contradicts your answer: Everyone is accountable for their own sins -- not the sins of others (Ezek 18).

 

[Rufus]

I've literally read 50 posts about how evil natural man is from you. At one time you were natural man. This means you were evil to the very core. How did God love something as evil as you since you are now saved?

You may have "literally read" posts of mine but none of what I wrote do you understand. I have answered the question you ask numerous times. The answer to your question above is the same answer I gave for how God gives grace to only the humble, which is not man's natural disposition of heart. The answer to both is: Jesus Christ since He's my Federal Head. I owe ALL to Him! Since God chose me IN Christ in eternity, God identifies me with His Beloved.