Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Magenta said:
Well, Jesus told us that those who know God are only those to whom He chooses to reveal God.

Of course this gets mocked and scoffed at by FWers as well as many other verses and truths Scripture makes plain.

There is even at least one here and very likely more who try to shame those who affirm that God keeps His promises.

It is shameful that they do such things, but they don't care about that any more than
they care about directly contradicting and outright denying a plethora of others verses.

Uh, that is, when they are not busy butchering them and/or rewriting them to suit their self-exalting presups.

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Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him
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We shouldn't be surprised at the depths FWers will sink to in trying to support their false gospel. Did not serpent clearly insinuate to Eve that God is a liar. This is what the evil one's children do: They emulate their father!
 
Rufus said:
And if God did then he must consider all human beings w/o exception to be humble, since he gives his saving grace (not to be confused with common grace) only to the humble.
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We have also been told that faith is not a good thing because it is not a gift from God though
all good things come from Him according to what Scripture explicitly says. Also, FWers have
claimed the gospel is not a spiritual matter. It really gets ridiculous the things they say. Like:

HeIsHere said:
Oh yes, very much agree, a shipwreck and so very dangerous in so many ways.

1) Changes the nature of God
2) Changes the ordro salutis
3) Changes the nature of fallen man
4) Changes the atonement on the cross to limited
5) Changes God from good to the author of evil so that even when a young girl is raped, tortured and murdered she received her judgement!!!
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1) Change the nature of God is what you and your blaspheming buddies do: God is unfair you say, you have told us this how many times? You agree with the one who says for Him to act unilaterally makes Him an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their free will. You guys scream against God's sovereignty constantly, to the point He is turned into a rapist. Disgusting.

2) Changes the ordro salutis
You don't know the order of salvation, or if you do, since surely you have read it, you mock and reject it.

predestined, called, justified, glorified.

3) Changes the nature of fallen man is also what Pelagian heretics like yourself do as you reject, rewrite, contradict, and deny
a multitude of verses detailing what the unregenerated man CANNOT do while you keep telling us he is able and needs no help.

4) Changes the atonement on the cross to limited... are you a universalist now? Jesus' propitiatory shedding of blood
and death on the cross was sufficient to pay the sin debt of all but is efficacious only to those who believe.

5) Changes God from good to the author of evil so that even when a young girl is raped, tortured and murdered she received her judgement!!! Where is this in the Bible? Oh, it's not? Just some story about something some old dead guy said that you like to tell as if it props up all your lies and deceit and idolatrous heretical blasphemous views? Hmmm. Not a good look for you. I doubt you care. There are an awful lot of things you repeatedly tell us that are exactly the opposite of what Scripture says, but it bores your fellow idolatrous blasphemers to have them enumerated. This list also grows over time, though never have I ever seen you acknowledge any of it. Even when your butchering of a particular verse was brought to your attention, you and your ilk just continued to keep butchering it so it is made to look like it says something it does not. That is the modus operandi you use. See? I know some Latin also, and I am not even Italian like you are. Theologia tua hominem eligere facit credere quae nec accipere nec intellegere potest et quibus adversatur, tamen id rectum putas etiam cum directe Scripturae contradicat.
 
cv5 said:
Romans 3:10–12: Paul references Old Testament passages to conclude that "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God".

Someone needs to inform the disciples of Augustine that David is speaking about..... himself in these passages.
Not those "doomed hopelessly depraved totally unable people over there".

Question to the disciples of Augustine:
Did David seek after God? Was David saved? Was David a man after God's heart? What circumstances drove David to codify these passages?

These determinists cannot answer the foregoing, because they do not understand these passages. And vice versa. That much is certain.....:rolleyes:
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So king David was not an Old Covenant believer? And where in the OT does David apply what he wrote to himself? David could not write such things about himself because he was the apple of God's eye and was in a loving, covenantal relationship with his Lord and Savior! Yet, David, who wrote so many of the inspired psalms had no spiritual understanding? David was a foolish dimwit, was he? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
@ rogerg,

in Acts 17:27, the Apostle Paul taught that God's purpose in creating humanity was for people to "look for him, and perhaps in searching all around for him, they would find him," because "he is not far from any of us". He intended for people to seek Him out of their own curiosity and longing.

You should listen to me.
 
Cameron143 said:
If none seek after God, and someone does seek after God, what is the cause of the seeking?
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The teaching of the holy spirit. All men are taught of God. Some listen and tune their hearts to that frequency, but most don't

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:45​
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
The teaching of the holy spirit. All men are taught of God. Some listen and tune their hearts to that frequency, but most don't

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:45​
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Isn't that God taking the initiative and drawing people to Himself?
 
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Wisdom cries aloud outside; she gives her voice in the square; she calls at the head of places of commotion; in the opening of the gates, in the city she utters her words: Until when will you love to be simple, you simple ones? And will scorners desire scorn for themselves? And will fools hate knowledge? Turn back at my warning; behold, I will pour out my spirit to you; I will make my words known to you. Proverbs 1:20-23
 
lrs68 said:
@ rogerg,

in Acts 17:27, the Apostle Paul taught that God's purpose in creating humanity was for people to "look for him, and perhaps in searching all around for him, they would find him," because "he is not far from any of us". He intended for people to seek Him out of their own curiosity and longing.

You should listen to me.
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It is still God's desire for mankind to seek after Him. This doesn't negate the fact that man in his fallen estate doesn't seek after God.
 
lrs68 said:
God made natural man inherently able to seek Him in Book of Acts.

Prove that God didn't give natural man Faith since God gave natural man the ability to seek Him?
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You must be getting desperate, asking someone to prove that something didn't happen. . . . . .
 
Cameron143 said:
It is still God's desire for mankind to seek after Him. This doesn't negate the fact that man in his fallen estate doesn't seek after God.
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[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
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lrs68 said:
@ rogerg,

in Acts 17:27, the Apostle Paul taught that God's purpose in creating humanity was for people to "look for him, and perhaps in searching all around for him, they would find him," because "he is not far from any of us". He intended for people to seek Him out of their own curiosity and longing.

You should listen to me.
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[Psa 10:4-5 KJV]
4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek [after God]: God [is] not in all his thoughts.
5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments [are] far above out of his sight: [as for] all his enemies, he puffeth at them.
 
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Cameron143 said:
In fact, they wouldn't. That's what Romans 3 teaches and is the basis for the inability of man.
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Man is made in the image of God and yearns to return to him no matter how depraved. Man's inability is limited to the impossibility of him bridging that gap without God's help and provision.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
The teaching of the holy spirit. All men are taught of God. Some listen and tune their hearts to that frequency, but most don't

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:45​
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Not everyone hears. Jesus said so. Tuning their heart LOL. You said before heart circumcision was a result of obedience,
but it is not possible for the unregenerated to submit to or obey God. You stumble repeatedly over these Biblical facts.

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The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. The world does not recognize Him. No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. The one who loves God is known by God. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
 
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