Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[sawdust]

You can expect this typical response for those you overlay a system onto the scripture.

I wouldn't mind if he had actually understood what was said but his response was clear he had no idea what I meant. It can become frustrating when people constantly overlay their own thinking on your words and don't really listen to what you are saying.

So be it. My time is precious and doesn't need to be wasted on those who can't think beyond their nose.

grace and peace.

 

[Cameron143]

I meant calling people who disagree with you stupid Free Willers.

How'd you miss that?

While there has been poor behavior from both sides, I haven't seen anyone calling those who espouse free will being called disciples of Satan.

 

[sawdust]

New definition of fellowship of the Spirit...ripping people who disagree with you and calling them disciples of Satan.

He made a general statement. You donned the shoe.

Your side has hardly been the paragon of love and fellowship.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

you consider yourself a "chosen one", yes?

And you do not, correct?

I do not what ? consider you a "chosen one" ... or consider myself a "chosen one" ?

So answer these questions: Is the Last Adam the Federal Head of Gentile believers in this NC age? If not, then, Gentile believers still die in the first Adam, correct? But if the Last Adam is in fact the Federal Head of Gentile believers, then where in scripture did God make a redemptive covenant with each and every Gentile w/o exception on the planet?

slow your roll, man ... I'm going to answer the questions in your post 16,901 ...
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[sawdust]

I meant calling people who disagree with you stupid Free Willers.

How'd you miss that?

You forget the number of times we have all been called liars (among other things). We all know who the father of lies is so the implication is there.

 

[BillyBob]

@Magenta
If I reply to the monthly letter requesting donations is it a private reply in that only RoboOp will be able to see?

 

[sawdust]

@Magenta
If I reply to the monthly letter requesting donations is it a private reply in that only RoboOp will be able to see?

If you and he are the only participants to the conversation then it is private.

 

[BillyBob]

If you and he are the only participants to the conversation then it is private.

Thanks

 

[cv5]

And you do not, correct? So answer these questions: Is the Last Adam the Federal Head of Gentile believers in this NC age? If not, then, Gentile believers still die in the first Adam, correct? But if the Last Adam is in fact the Federal Head of Gentile believers, then where in scripture did God make a redemptive covenant with each and every Gentile w/o exception on the planet?

Laborers group #1

Mat 20:1
“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.
Mat 20:2
“Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.

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Laborers group #2

Mat 20:3
“And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
Mat 20:4
“and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went.
Mat 20:5
“Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mat 20:7
“They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’

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Jos 9:25
“And now, here we are, in your hands; do with us as it seems good and right to do to us.”

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All of this utterly destroys this determinism nonsense BTW.

 

[Genez]

You forget the number of times we have all been called liars (among other things). We all know who the father of lies is so the implication is there.

Angels watch in on us.
They can see trends in behaviors of carnal Christians to give them the right perspective concerning
how Satan's angels treated them when they refused to go with Satan.

I have a feeling God's angels were totally broken hearted to see the fallen angels choose their dark path.
They wanted so much to forgive them and welcome them back into the family.
In the mean while, God is showing them through the example of arrogant self centered believers,
as to why, it was a must to separate them from each other.

But in our case?

The Cross has taken care of their willful sinning. And, they will be restored to the family unity
once their body dies or the Rapture takes place.

grace and peace

 

[posthuman]

Why are unbelievers sent to the lake of fire after their resurrection? Their unbelief/evil/deeds/human good.

unbelief, evil.. these are sins.

if anyone does not believe Him, they will die "in their sins" - - all sins can be forgiven, but not all sin is forgiven.

 

[cv5]

Angels watch in on us.
They can see trends in behaviors of carnal Christians to give them the right perspective concerning
how Satan's angels treated them when they refused to go with Satan.

I have a feeling God's angels were totally broken hearted to see the fallen angels choose their dark path.
They wanted so much to forgive them and welcome them back into the family.
In the mean while, God is showing them through the example of arrogant self centered believers,
as to why, it was a must to separate them from each other.

But in our case?

The Cross has taken care of their willful sinning. And, they will be restored to the family unity
once their body dies or the Rapture takes place.

grace and peace

I have a feeling God's angels were totally broken hearted to see the fallen angels choose their dark path.

Agree. Furthermore, they, the holy angels, are ALSO suffering and are beleaguered by the angelic conflict even to this present day.
True peace will only happen after the "dividing" takes place.

Then we all get rest....

 

[cv5]

You forget the number of times we have all been called liars (among other things). We all know who the father of lies is so the implication is there.

Pretty disturbing rhetoric that's for sure....

Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[Genez]

unbelief, evil.. these are sins.

if anyone does not believe Him, they will die "in their sins" - - all sins can be forgiven, but not all sin is forgiven.

They will die in their sins because their resurrection will be into their cherished earthly body that they preferred over the Lord.

They will appear resurrected before the Lord. But not like we will, in bodies that can not die.
It will be the body they lived on earth with. That is the second resurrection.

In that way? Being able to die again?
Their body will be utterly destroyed when thrown into the fire.
Hence, dying twice!
The "second death."

 

[rogerg]

I wouldn't mind if he had actually understood what was said but his response was clear he had no idea what I meant. It can become frustrating when people constantly overlay their own thinking on your words and don't really listen to what you are saying.

So be it. My time is precious and doesn't need to be wasted on those who can't think beyond their nose.

grace and peace.

Your reply was not so complex or spiritually sophisticated that I was not able to easily understand it, but very arrogant of you to the extreme to make that incorrect assumption about me. What your reply actually demonstrated, however, was that you have absolutely no idea about belief, faith, nor biblically, of how either is obtained. That's why I included the verses I did but which you obviously were completely unable to process. You would do yourself a big favor to go back, read them again closely, and try to understand them this time if possible.

 

[Genez]

Your reply was not so complex or spiritually sophisticated that I was not able to easily understand it, but very arrogant of you to the extreme to make that incorrect assumption about me. What your reply actually demonstrated, however, was that you have absolutely no idea about belief, faith, nor biblically, of how either is obtained. That's why I included the verses I did but which you obviously were completely unable to process. You would do yourself a big favor to go back, read them again closely, and try to understand them this time if possible.

Roger you got a serious problem....

Period.

 

[cv5]

Your reply was not so complex or spiritually sophisticated that I was not able to easily understand it, but very arrogant of you to the extreme to make that incorrect assumption about me. What your reply actually demonstrated, however, was that you have absolutely no idea about belief, faith, nor biblically, of how either is obtained. That's why I included the verses I did but which you obviously were completely unable to process. You would do yourself a big favor to go back, read them again closely, and try to understand them this time if possible.

Word up buddy. The Blood is there for the taking. But you actually have to take it.
God Himself cannot "fake the taking" for you by rigging the outcome in a "pre-birth sovereign lottery" scam.

 

[rogerg]

Word up buddy. The Blood is there for the taking. But you actually have to take it.
God Himself cannot "fake the taking" for you by rigging the outcome in a "pre-birth sovereign lottery" scam.

That's the gospel according to cv5's imagination, but not according to God. You just don't like and refuse to accept, that Christ alone is
Savior and that you're not, but you nevertheless keep trying.

 

[cv5]

That's the gospel according to cv5's imagination, but not according to God. You just don't like and refuse to accept, that Christ alone is
Savior and that you're not, but you nevertheless keep trying.

So you are telling us that you didn't actually of your own free will and volition "take it"?
I am not sure.........your response sounded more like dodging the issue than a straightforward answer.

 

[Genez]

Word up buddy. The Blood is there for the taking. But you actually have to take it.
God Himself cannot "fake the taking" for you by rigging the outcome in a "pre-birth sovereign lottery" scam.

I just got a got an idea....

Let's go over to a Jehovah Witness forum, and try to reason with the JW's there.

I am getting tired of the same old unreasonableness here, and need a new unreasonableness to contend with.