Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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reneweddaybyday said:


nope ... only the Lord Jesus Christ is the Elect from before the foundation of the world. believers are changed from natural man to "elect" at the time they are born again.
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Nope! All the elect are Abraham's spiritual descendants whom God has personally known throughout all eternity. And besides, how could Jesus only be elect? God elected the Head but not his Body!? :rolleyes: Don't you know all those in Christ are ONE with him and in perfect unity with Him positionally. Study Jn 17 for a few years, it might start to sink in.
 
cv5 said:
This thread exists for those who prefer the truth and sound biblical doctrine in deference to hacks, posers and carnival barkers peddling quackery.

And go sell your brand of banal insipid gooey catchphrases to somebody with a guilty conscience. You've got the wrong customer.
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So, what are you doing here, imposter?
 
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Genez said:
I am so glad these people are not my judge.
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You may well be in for a very rude awakening come the Last Day since the saints will sit with Christ in judgment of the world, and Satan and all his offspring will crushed under their feet.
 
Rufus said:
Nope! All the elect are Abraham's spiritual descendants whom God has personally known throughout all eternity. And besides, how could Jesus only be elect? God elected the Head but not his Body!? :rolleyes: Don't you know all those in Christ are ONE with him and in perfect unity with Him positionally. Study Jn 17 for a few years, it might start to sink in.
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People elect themselves. Yeah, I have heard of that crazy mixed up carnal theology before.

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1 Corinthians 4 verse 7b; John 3 verse 27; Romans 9 verses 15-16 ~ What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
 
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They always come in.
Hoping to break up the fellowship in the Spirit.

What confounds the idiots is that Satan did not want the Lord.
His demons and Satan unionized and went on strike against the Lord.
Be confounded... if you can not accept that truth!

As far as salvation?
Some people are like demons in their thinking towards the Lord.
They do not want the Lord.

In other words...

Yes... Jesus does the saving.
But, He only saves those who want to be saved!

Not everybody wants to be saved.

We did not save ourselves.
We wanted to be saved.
Knowing that, Jesus saved us.

Unless some here see Jesus as raping us into salvation?
Irresistible salvation?
The Lord rapes us into belief?
 
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Magenta said:
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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
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Out of all people, God foreknew would believe in Him?
He predestined only certain ones to be born in the Church age.

In that way?
The Father elected the Bride for His Son!

We were Chosen!
 
Genez said:
They always come in.
Hoping to break up the fellowship in the Spirit.

What confounds the idiots is that Satan did not want the Lord.
His demons and Satan unionized and went on strike against the Lord.
Be confounded... if you can not accept that truth!

As far as salvation?
Some people are like demons in their thinking towards the Lord.
They do not want the Lord.

In other words...

Yes... Jesus does the saving.
But, He only saves those who want to be saved!

Not everybody wants to be saved.

We did not save ourselves.
We wanted to be saved.
Knowing that, Jesus saved us.

Unless some here see Jesus as raping us into salvation?
Irresistible salvation?
The Lord rapes us into belief?
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So, God now is a rapist, a kidnapper, a bully, a fascist dictator and an unfair and unjust moral monster --all because He decreed to rescue helpless sinners and bring them into his kingdom!? Come Judgment Day, I hope I'm far, far away from these FW blasphemers, many of whom will be cast into the Lake of Fire for their arrogance and pride.

The only way people "want to be saved" is by God granting them the grace that instills the Fear of Himself in them and by circumcising their hearts so that they can love Him -- both of which are unilateral promises given only to his covenant people.
 
Genez said:
The program does not cause the mind set.
It was invented to attract and appeal to a certain mind set.

The KKK did not cause bigotry.
It attracted it and gave it purpose and leadership.
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Ahh yes, I see what you mean, explains a lot!!!
 
Magenta said:
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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
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The ancient Hebrew Jews God foreknew, Predestined, to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ!

When we're saved we're immediately conformed to the image of Jesus Christ but the ancient Hebrew Jews, whom God foreknew, were not until Jesus died.
 
Genez said:
Out of all people, God foreknew would believe in Him?
He predestined only certain ones to be born in the Church age.

In that way?
The Father elected the Bride for His Son!

We were Chosen!
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There is no scripture to support the drivel above. Just another lame FW theory.
 
lrs68 said:
The ancient Hebrew Jews God foreknew, Predestined, to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ!

When we're saved we're immediately conformed to the image of Jesus Christ but the ancient Hebrew Jews, whom God foreknew, were not until Jesus died.
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And those "ancient Hebrew Jews" include all Abraham's spiritual descendants.
 
Rufus said:
And those "ancient Hebrew Jews" include all Abraham's spiritual descendants.
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No they don't and Paul wasn't and never indicated the future. This is strictly about the old covenant being brought to the new covenant.

We are immediately in the new covenant.

Stop placing yourself where God doesn't include you!
 
lrs68 said:
No they don't and Paul wasn't and never indicated the future. This is strictly about the old covenant being brought to the new covenant.

We are immediately in the new covenant.

Stop placing yourself where God doesn't include you!
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The Old is NOT being brought to the New! The Old DIED at the Cross of Christ! That is what the rent curtain in the temple signifies! It signifies several things, including a complete new way God has provided for salvation.

Furthermore, Abraham's spiritual descendants are not included in the New Covenant! Then you need to explain how any Gentiles are saved in this NC age since God never made any covenant with Gentile nations.

And, yes, Paul considered himself a child of promise; for anyone who believes in Christ in this age is a spiritual JEW, i.e. a child of Abraham (Gal 3:29)! Was not Paul a NC believer? And didn't he write to NC believers in Galatia?
 
Rufus said:
The Old is NOT being brought to the New! The Old DIED at the Cross of Christ! That is what the rent curtain in the temple signifies! It signifies several things, including a complete new way God has provided for salvation.

Furthermore, Abraham's spiritual descendants are not included in the New Covenant! Then you need to explain how any Gentiles are saved in this NC age since God never made any covenant with Gentile nations.

And, yes, Paul considered himself a child of promise; for anyone who believes in Christ in this age is a spiritual JEW, i.e. a child of Abraham (Gal 3:29)! Was not Paul a NC believer? And didn't he write to NC believers in Galatia?
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The old was given the new so they would be saved by the only way you can be saved through Jesus Christ.
 
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