Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Genez said:
They just "love" the stupid free-willers."

Don't they?
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You are conflating the actions of some you call Calvinists to Calvinism. A belief system isn't responsible for one's behavior. The individuals are. And why do you only call out one side? There is equally poor behavior from both sides of the argument. Is Calvinism responsible for both sides behavior? Who or what is responsible for your poor behavior at times?
 
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cv5 said:
So I take it that your trust resides in the efficacious power of the "loaded dice" and "rigged gaming tables" that God must facilitate in His salvation scheme, as He is incapable of achieving His goals honestly and honorably?
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"Rigged gaming tables"? So, now God is crooked? A cheat? My trust is in Christ and in his ALMIGHTY, EFFICACIOUS POWER. See, unlike you, I don't believe for a nanosecond that God owes me anything! He didn't have to save me or anyone else in this world for that matter! But you obviously feel that God is indebted to all fallen humanity w/o exception. You FWers are insanely obsessed with answering forbidden and ill-conceived, carnally-motivated questions of God:

Rom 9:19-21
19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
NIV
 
Cameron143 said:
You are conflating the actions of some you call Calvinists to Calvinism. A belief system isn't responsible for one's behavior. The individuals are. And why do you only call out one side? There is equally poor behavior from both sides of the argument. Is Calvinism responsible for both sides behavior? Who or what is responsible for your poor behavior at times?
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His superficial volitional faith that resulted from his efficacious "freewill"? No longer does the entire person have to be engaged when believing. Heart-held faith has become extinct, apparently.
 
Rufus said:
"Rigged gaming tables"? So, now God is crooked? A cheat? My trust is in Christ and in his ALMIGHTY, EFFICACIOUS POWER. See, unlike you, I don't believe for a nanosecond that God owes me anything! He didn't have to save me or anyone else in this world for that matter! But you obviously feel that God is indebted to all fallen humanity w/o exception. You FWers are insanely obsessed with answering forbidden and ill-conceived, carnally-motivated questions of God:

Rom 9:19-21
19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
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Romans 9 v 19-21 One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use?
 
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Rufus said:
"Rigged gaming tables"? So, now God is crooked? A cheat? My trust is in Christ and in his ALMIGHTY, EFFICACIOUS POWER. See, unlike you, I don't believe for a nanosecond that God owes me anything! He didn't have to save me or anyone else in this world for that matter! But you obviously feel that God is indebted to all fallen humanity w/o exception. You FWers are insanely obsessed with answering forbidden and ill-conceived, carnally-motivated questions of God:

Rom 9:19-21
19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
NIV
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It is shocking how easily and frequently these heretics blaspheme our Lord.
 
Magenta said:
Why do you keep lying?
Perhaps you should tell that to the one who claims man is born with everything he needs in order to come to belief.
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Man is not born with everything he needs in order to come to belief. He needs the necessary INFORMATION.
Therewith he may then give CONSENT.

Informed consent. Or informed dissent. The Bible is filled with both.

What exactly do you think Paul was doing for 25 odd years? Pulling up shirttails to find an "elect" tattoo?
 
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Mark 3 verses 28-29 / Matthew 12 verses 31-32 / Luke 12 verse 10 ~ Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.
 
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Rufus said:
"Rigged gaming tables"? So, now God is crooked? A cheat? My trust is in Christ and in his ALMIGHTY, EFFICACIOUS POWER. See, unlike you, I don't believe for a nanosecond that God owes me anything! He didn't have to save me or anyone else in this world for that matter! But you obviously feel that God is indebted to all fallen humanity w/o exception. You FWers are insanely obsessed with answering forbidden and ill-conceived, carnally-motivated questions of God:

Rom 9:19-21
19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
NIV
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cv5 said:
So I take it that your trust resides in the efficacious power of the "loaded dice" and "rigged gaming tables" that God must facilitate in His salvation scheme, as He is incapable of achieving His goals honestly and honorably?

Take note @Magenta
 
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Cameron143 said:
You are conflating the actions of some you call Calvinists to Calvinism. A belief system isn't responsible for one's behavior. The individuals are. And why do you only call out one side? There is equally poor behavior from both sides of the argument. Is Calvinism responsible for both sides behavior? Who or what is responsible for your poor behavior at times?
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The heretics lurve their logical fallacies.
 
cv5 said:
Pursuing this this Calvinist dogmatic construct to its logical conclusion will inevitably lead to "pre-birth sovereign lottery". As it always does.
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How can a man be predestined unto salvation before the world began, if salvation all depends upon his choice of God after the world began? Eph1:4
 
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