Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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cv5 said:
The Jewish wedding protocol that Jesus refers to
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You're hallucinating again. Try to stay on your meds like they told you. Jesus WAS NOT referring to a Jewish wedding protocol. Nowhere is that or anything like that stated- it is a figment of your imagination or something you've made up with no scriptural justification whatsoever.
Good day!
 
Blain said:
Just because you spiritually reject something doesn't mean you can spiritually accept something the bible is very clear the canral mind cannot and I mean cannot percieve the things of the spirit
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God is Spirit!
To reject God is to reject the Spiritual.
 
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John 3 verses 19-20 and from Psalm 10 verse 4 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. The wicked reviles the Lord
 
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Cameron143 said:
He wasn't in a saved estate. He was in a works covenant with God. He was simply a sinless natural man.
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He was spiritually alive and in relationship with God, the very opposite of the state we are in at birth. Salvation restores that, eternal life gives us so much more. Eternal life is our crowning glory, given by the most generous and loving God.
 
Cameron143 said:
He wasn't in a saved estate. He was in a works covenant with God. He was simply a sinless natural man.
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He was created sinless and good. No saving required.
As for this supposed covenant, I do not see Adam entering into anything like that in the text, as perfect flawless fellowship needs no covenant.

First mention of covenant is here:

Gen 6:18
But with thee will I establish my covenant; H1285 and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
 
rogerg said:
You're hallucinating again. Try to stay on your meds like they told you. Jesus WAS NOT referring to a Jewish wedding protocol. Nowhere is that or anything like that stated- it is a figment of your imagination or something you've made up with no scriptural justification whatsoever.
Good day!
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Of course He was. Its patently obvious to every advanced Bible student.
As for the duffers and fluffers and bluffers, they will likely never matriculate to that stage, and will be stuck with endlessly repeating dogmatic Bible tweet mantras.

Oh well, don't blame me for trying.
 
lrs68 said:
God is Spirit!
To reject God is to reject the Spiritual.
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That doesn't mean you can accept the spiritual the bible says this 1 Corinthians 2:14, which states that "the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned

Now where in scripture does it say that the natural man can accept or understand the spiritual? by all means show me the verse but you and I both know you cannot because there is no such verse so all your saying is not biblical
 
Cameron143 said:
I simply believe grace is more extensive than you.
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I don't see how? You think one has to be indwelled by the Spirit before God can control the flesh whereas we see God can act upon a person and control the flesh just as easily from the outside as well as from the inside.
 
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Psalm 14 verses 1-3; Job 15 verse 16 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God. All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. Man is vile and corrupt.
 
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Cameron143 said:
If you are still a natural carnal man you are still not subject to the law. Neither do you have spiritual discernment. Your choice would always be to your detriment.
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And once again you ignore grace at work on the man. The soul being unable to choose without grace doesn't mean the soul is unwilling if given the power to do so. Grace gives that power.
 
sawdust said:
He was spiritually alive and in relationship with God, the very opposite of the state we are in at birth. Salvation restores that, eternal life gives us so much more. Eternal life is our crowning glory, given by the most generous and loving God.
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Yes, he was spiritually alive and in relationship with God. I already stated this. He was not saved or in a saved estate.
 
cv5 said:
He was created sinless and good. No saving required.
As for this supposed covenant, I do not see Adam entering into anything like that in the text, as perfect flawless fellowship needs no covenant.

First mention of covenant is here:

Gen 6:18
But with thee will I establish my covenant; H1285 and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
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I said he didn't need saving.
There was definitely a works covenant: don't eat...live; eat...die.
 
sawdust said:
I don't see how? You think one has to be indwelled by the Spirit before God can control the flesh whereas we see God can act upon a person and control the flesh just as easily from the outside as well as from the inside.
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Right. I believe God's grace doesn't just withhold the flesh but changes a man's nature altogether as well as indwells him.
 
sawdust said:
And once again you ignore grace at work on the man. The soul being unable to choose without grace doesn't mean the soul is unwilling if given the power to do so. Grace gives that power.
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I do not ignore grace. I believe it entails far more than you do.
 
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Romans 8 verses 9-10 ~ You are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.
 
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