Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
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rogerg said:
All are raised but only those saved are raised unto eternal life with Christ.
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That's right, all are raised, some to life some to condemnation. Jn.5:29 The Cross is the basis for all to be raised because it paid for the sin of all men so they could be justifiably released from death.

Fail to see your point though regarding how many deaths are counted as two.

rogerg said:
Okay, not to be rude, but this is becoming a never-ending discussion, and I've grown weary of it for both of our sakes
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Suits me. Grace and peace. :)
 
Cameron143 said:
Made a partaker of the divine nature. That's a change.
And I believe those changes are necessary for salvation, for the reasons previously stated.
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I don't see that as necessary for salvation for we never had that in the first place so there is nothing to salvage in that respect. As I said before, eternal life being given to us is something far more than mere salvation. We have been saved and given to being celebrated by God as royalty.

I don't think you and I will ever see eye to eye on many things but one thing I know we agree on and that is Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. Let us remain there and end the endless back and forth. :)
 
sawdust said:
That's right, all are raised, some to life some to condemnation. Jn.5:29 The Cross is the basis for all to be raised because it paid for the sin of all men so they could be justifiably released from death.
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Not everyone will not be released from the second death.

sawdust said:
Fail to see your point though regarding how many deaths are counted as two.
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And I don't understand your statement above but that's ok.

sawdust said:
Suits me. Grace and peace.
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rogerg said:
If you reject the doctrine that only those the Father sends to Jesus that they alone become saved, then all that is left is the
doctrine of works for salvation - those being the only two possible alternatives. The alternative of works, of course, can only fail,
which is confirmed by your statement of going to the bar and shooting pool - meaning that you rejected salvation solely by grace
through Jesus Christ.
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If salvation is by grace alone, it can only be by what God has done. If God has done it all, then there is absolutely nothing that man can add! To believe otherwise, is to say that we are not saved by grace alone.
 
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sawdust said:
Where was Adam promised eternal life? I asked you to show us the promises, not simply give us your opinion.
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Adam was our federal head. Hence, what occurred with Adam effected us. Christ is the second Adam. Also a federal head. What is true of the first Adam is true of the second Adam, and vice versa. As a federal head, Christ won for those He represents eternal life. Ergo...Adam would have won eternal life for all he represented.
 
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sawdust said:
Even though I said after one believes it does all you said it does regarding changing a man but still you think you know more than I? :rolleyes:
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I don't know what you know, but I do know the question of knowing more or not never entered my mind.
 
BillyBob said:
If salvation is by grace alone, it can only be by what God has done. If God has done it all, then there is absolutely nothing that man can add! To believe otherwise, is to say that we are not saved by grace alone.
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Perfectly stated BillyBob and I would also add that our belief also comes to us from God; that is, at the spiritual instant/nanosecond that we go from not believing in the truth of the gospel to actually believing in its truth, whether we realized it or not at the time, that change in perception came by/from God.
 
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rogerg said:
Why would I blame you? I don't blame people for their ignorance but try to edify them.
I will say, however that with you, it ain't easy
But believe it or not, we can thrive quite nicely spiritually without your approval.
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rogerg said:
You're hallucinating again. Try to stay on your meds like they told you. Jesus WAS NOT referring to a Jewish wedding protocol. Nowhere is that or anything like that stated- it is a figment of your imagination or something you've made up with no scriptural justification whatsoever.

Lol. I take it that your pastor, entire Church, and all the teaching staff are asleep at the wheel?
I mean, from what I hear from you, their so-called teaching consists of memorizing and repeating Reformed dogma bullet points?

Jhn 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
 
cv5 said:
rogerg said:
You're hallucinating again. Try to stay on your meds like they told you. Jesus WAS NOT referring to a Jewish wedding protocol. Nowhere is that or anything like that stated- it is a figment of your imagination or something you've made up with no scriptural justification whatsoever.

Lol. I take it that your pastor, entire Church, and all the teaching staff are asleep at the wheel?
I mean, from what I hear from you, their so-called teaching consists of memorizing and repeating Reformed dogma bullet points?

Jhn 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
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Just try to keep in mind what I suggested - that if it's not already too late, try to get a refund as soon as possible.
 
Blain said:
Ok let's say it is a spiritual act and that this drawing you speak of is about him drawing all men only to be rejected what does that have to do with anything? the verse itself says they cannot understand so what is the point your trying to mek like did I miss something?
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Romans 1 tells us that after God makes Himself known that rather than to acknowledge Him as God they reject God and ultimately God gives them over to a reprobate mind. Just means God purposely makes Himself known to all one way or another unlike the idea behind election and God simply sending people to Hell by His choice. And by doing this more reject God than accept Him.
 
Magenta said:
Scripture says we can know we have eternal life (are saved). If you don't know that, what are you doing here? Guessing?
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Modern Calvanists have twisted Calvins doctrine to the point its a new entity. But then they are correct. Just ask any of them.
 
lrs68 said:
Romans 1 tells us that after God makes Himself known that rather than to acknowledge Him as God they reject God and ultimately God gives them over to a reprobate mind. Just means God purposely makes Himself known to all one way or another unlike the idea behind election and God simply sending people to Hell by His choice. And by doing this more reject God than accept Him.
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Ok but even so the chapter is speaking of God's wrath not the ability to choose him so what is your point exactly?
 
DeanM said:
Modern Calvanists have twisted Calvins doctrine to the point its a new entity. But then they are correct. Just ask any of them.
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Do you know or do you not know that you are saved?

Or do you disagree with the Scripture given, that says we can know?

Those are Scriptural truths no matter how hard you want to make them about something else, for whatever reason.
 
studier said:
As I said, you're a lot of work.

At least read these Jer31:15-20.

Don't bother telling me there's no volition or repentant response to being chastised involved.
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Don't bother me with non sequiturs. The New Covenant stipulations begin in v. 31. So, what are the conditions that Israel must fulfill in order to enter into that covenant?
 
Magenta said:
Do you know or do you not know that you are saved?

Or do you disagree with the Scripture given, that says we can know?

Those are Scriptural truths no matter how hard you want to make them about something else, for whatever reason.
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Are you chosen or not? If not it doesnt matter what you do. If you are your golden. Isnt that what the TULIP's teach?
 
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