Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

And yet, as @NightTwister has pointed out, you are still here.

If I choose to spend my time squashing heretics, and debunking heresies, that is my business.

 

[Kroogz]

You can't admit what the Bible has made plain.

This is as plain as day:

Christ died for the whole world.

He paid for your sins and not only yours......But for the sins of the whole world.

Equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL.

He is not willing that any perish.

 

[Cameron143]

The Word of God is life ... you stated yourself that "The words of Jesus are spirit and life". Hebrews 4:12 tells us the word of God is quick [Greek = zaō = living], and powerful ... the Word is spoken by faithful believers ... those who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness receive the benefit from the living Word of God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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Your point?

 

[Cameron143]

No, in fact you don't. He only defends those who have RECEIVED Him. Of their own free will. That volitional action which you have vociferously denied and declared impossible.

So you and your crew are on your own.
Rots of ruck and happy landings ...

More lies. I've already acknowledged volition. Are you saying I'm not saved?

 

[Jordon]

Interesting.

I thought it was Gods faith in the reformed/calvie/tulip world. No such thing as "your" faith.

God explicitly forbids personal FREEWILL faith........According to the reformed/calvie/tulip theory.

preserved in the wonderful faith of Jesus.

Through out the bible we see people sharing his faith even when he hear the words your faith has served you well. That is still talking about his faith.

Persevering in your faith that has been given To you, holding on to the very end.

But again I don't know any people who call themselves Calvinists

I'm still waiting to find out.

I don't know any people who call themselves Arminians either

Do you

 

[Cameron143]

This is as plain as day:

Christ died for the whole world.

He paid for your sins and not only yours......But for the sins of the whole world.

Equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL.

He is not willing that any perish.

You've already been shown why that understanding of scripture is incorrect.

 

[NightTwister]

This is as plain as day:

Christ died for the whole world.

He paid for your sins and not only yours......But for the sins of the whole world.

Equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL.

He is not willing that any perish.

This is called "Universalism."

 

[Cameron143]

If I choose to spend my time squashing heretics, and debunking heresies, that is my business.

Sure, but having called it a waste of time you affirm you spend alot of time wasting time. Shouldn't a Christian be redeeming the time?

 

[cv5]

More lies. I've already acknowledged volition. Are you saying I'm not saved?

But you have expressly and without exception denied "volitional repentance".

BTW, the "we" you spoke to earlier is unquestionably the "they" that I proved was "nobody".

 

[Jordon]

He wasn't speaking about being conformed but how the same world He is dying for hates Him.

I never had time to find it,

But here it is

Romans 12:2 ►

Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will

God will reject the world for you. Yes

 

[cv5]

Sure, but having called it a waste of time you affirm you spend alot of time wasting time. Shouldn't a Christian be redeeming the time?

Debunking heresies is a task concomitant with redeeming the time.

Responding to every bizarre addled inchoate dispatch begotten by an irrational mind is time wasted.

 

[Cameron143]

But you have expressly and without exception denied "volitional repentance".

BTW, the "we" you spoke to earlier is unquestionably the "they" that I proved was "nobody".

More lies. I believe repentance is volitional. And despite your claim to the contrary, they is those who believe.

Again, do you believe I am not saved?

 

[Rufus]

My view is Jesus used the same word when He said the [world] hated Him and God so loved the [world] He died for it. Therefore, God loved and died for the [world] that hated him and hates us.

God, who is pure spirit, died? Strike One!

Also, Jesus said that he died for His friends -- not those who hate him. Strike Two!

John 15:12-17
12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for his friends . 14 You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another.
ESV

Lastly, if Christ died for the whole world in the distributive sense, it would have been for nought because God gives grace only to the humble, and the virtue of humility hardly describes God-haters and the haters of his disciples. Strike Three!

You're quite the strikeout artist, aren't you?

 

[Cameron143]

Debunking heresies is a task concomitant with redeeming the time.

Responding to every bizarre addled inchoate dispatch begotten by an irrational mind is time wasted.

So, according to your logic, when you respond to me, you aren't responding to heresy.

 

[Rufus]

Then God is a liar if He tells us to choose but doesn't allow it.

It's not a question of what God allows; rather, the entire issue is that the crippling ripple effect of Adam's sin through all his progeny doesn't allow it and has rendered us all as helpless human beings!

 

[Genez]

What I would like is for you to clarify for me is what YOU think the nature of "freewill" is. Do you believe that you have a libertine type of volition? And I'll make it easy for you to answer by giving you a definition of "libertine" to wit:

Main Entry:lib£er£tine
Pronunciation:*li-b*r-*t*n
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle English libertyn freedman, from Latin libertinus, from libertinus, adjective, of a freedman, from libertus freedman, from liber
Date:1577

1 usually disparaging : a freethinker especially in religious matters
2 : a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality; specifically : one leading a dissolute life
–libertine adjective

This is what I refer to:

Our volition was designed by God to reflect his image.
Not of of having absolute sovereignty, as God.
But, having a realm of sovereignty within what God has determined for us to make our choices.
Adam's fall caused man's soul to be trapped.
His soul has been entrapped within a fallen nature (flesh).
Flesh that, when left to its own devices, will produce a reflection of Satan's image.
A fallen nature that God uses to teach angels the consequences of certain desires
that fallen angels were condemned for their desire only.

Presently grace empowers souls to overcome the flesh, so that those (who are willing to suffer when need be)
will be made free to use their volition free of compulsion by the sin nature.

In a nutshell. There you have it.

 

[HeIsHere]

More lies. I believe repentance is volitional. And despite your claim to the contrary, they is those who believe.

Again, do you believe I am not saved?

God gives the volition, right?

 

[Jordon]

@lrs68

More importantly Why would Gods will reject the world for you.

Romans 12:2 ►

New International Version
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will

 

[HeIsHere]

Debunking heresies is a task concomitant with redeeming the time.

Responding to every bizarre addled inchoate dispatch begotten by an irrational mind is time wasted.

Remember they use the same words like "repentance" but it means something different to them.

 

[Genez]

Have you ever read the terms to the unilateral New Covenant? The "somehow" is easily explained but impossible to understand: Salvation is a supernatural act of God. You very obviously view salvation as merely a natural act of man's efficacious will.

The supernatural act of God (his power of Grace) makes it possible for us to choose.

Without God controlling the negatives we are born with?
No one by means of his soul could choose.
No one would have the freedom of will to believe.