Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Complete and utter nonsense. Seriously, complete nonsense. Nonsense. Get that through your head. Nonsense.


Seriously. Think about that as an educated man. Nonsense. You KNOW. You cannot be this ignorant.
Next level jump the shark nuttery if you ask me.
 
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you pivoted from the Lord Jesus Christ healing the blind being confirmation that He was Messiah in fulfillment of prophecy to "The invisible things of God are not known by the things that are seen?"

The record of the healing of the blind and the prophetic record do not say anything about "The invisible things of God are not known by the things that are seen".
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No. What I wrote was correct. Are you saying that the healing of the blind is limited to the fulfillment of prophecy?
 
I didn't use the term bound. I said that the natural man or carnal man is not subject to the law. Neither can he be according to Romans 8. That he does not hear or seek God are other things true of him. I believe all are due to the fact that he is spiritually dead.

Romans 6:17 explains that those who were once in sin now believed from the heart that form of doctrine delivered to them. In the process of saving an individual, God writes His law upon their heart by giving them a new heart...Ezekiel 36:26-27. This is what makes them subject them to the law. It is also what leads to their obedience. The unregenerated man cannot obey the command to believe. But the one who believes from the heart...Romans 10:9. His stony heart will not believe. His heart of flesh will. This is why regeneration must precede salvation.

If a new heart is required to be saved, then those who are saved are saved at the pleasure of God. This is what election and predestination is all about. Before the foundation of the world, God chose a people to Himself.

I realize this doesn't sit well with many people. I do believe it is what scripture teaches.
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Galatians 5 v 1; Romans 10 v 10a; Romans 6 v 17-18; Colossians 2 v 20 It was for freedom that Christ set us free. Therefore, stand firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. With the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness. Though you used to be slaves to sin, you have been set free from sin and become slaves to righteousness. You have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world.
 
And you bear false witness. I have never downplayed the importance of planting and watering.
I have only said the increase is due to God, not men. I simply don't rob God of the glory.

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1 Corinthians 3 v 6-7 I planted the seed and Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God Who makes things grow.
 
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God wrote the work of the law in the heart of all descendants of Adam (Rom 2:15).

When a person is born again, God writes the law directly in the heart and places His law in the mind of the born again one (Heb 8:10).
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is the main disagreement between you and Cameron on the bases that regeneration comes first for you but not cam ? I'm doing my best to understand both sides of the coin here,

Could you also go into more detail please about the works of the law written on hearts such as when it was written on hearts, would that be as child to for all people,
 
ok @Cameron143 what your views on the works of the jaw being written on all people's hearts,
I have no comment on the works of the jaw.

To answer about the works of the law on the hearts of men I would need to study Romans 2 a little more.

A few offhand comments:
...no flesh is justified by works of the law...Galatians 2:16
...whatever it means, it is insufficient for salvation
 
I have no comment on the works of the jaw.

To answer about the works of the law on the hearts of men I would need to study Romans 2 a little more.

A few offhand comments:
...no flesh is justified by works of the law...Galatians 2:16
...whatever it means, it is insufficient for salvation
no problem would it be insufficient to hear God with to ?.
 
Nope. We are renewed the moment we believe. The Lord Jesus Christ cannot renew a renewed believer.

Open shame.........crucifying Christ again for loss of salvation or "renewing salvation."

The saved Jews were doing it with animal sacrifice.......Once saved always saved. Open shame(To Him)to anyone who thinks otherwise.

@Pilgrimshope There is never a verse about loss of salvation or eternal life.

Just like .....there is never a verse that says mankind cannot believe the Gospel.

So …..can I ask what do you do with all the verses like the ones I just quoted ? Just act like they aren’t there or ? I can’t seem to bring myself to do that .

“There is never a verse about loss of salvation or eternal life.”

yeah there’s just this repeatedly

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

There’s nothing about “ losing someone’s salvation “ because it’s not a possession we have to lose. But I sort of was wondering if you also would just ignore the stuff like that or address any of it . Why does the bi ke teach that repeatedly in the gospel and epistles ? I wonder if it’s not true or accurate ?
 
I have no comment on the works of the jaw.

To answer about the works of the law on the hearts of men I would need to study Romans 2 a little more.

A few offhand comments:
...no flesh is justified by works of the law...Galatians 2:16
...whatever it means, it is insufficient for salvation
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Galatians 2 v 16 A man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
 
no problem would it be insufficient to hear God with to ?.
It was a joke. You wrote jaw instead of law.

I've done some research. It's an involved answer so it will take a bit to write.
Stay tuned.

Also, I don't believe it has anything to do with hearing.
 
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Galatians 2 v 16 A man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Romans 2 speaks about pricking the conscience, which is speaking of an inward experience.

So would it be fair be to say it could prick the conscience for every sin committed. But only some listened and some or probably a lot never.
 
Romans 2 speaks about pricking the conscience, which is speaking of an inward experience.

So would it be fair be to say it could prick the conscience for every sin committed. But only some listened and some or probably a lot never.
Those particular passages I have always found contradictory which I know does not mean they really are... 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. First it says they don't have the law then it says the requirements of the law are written on their hearts. Though it is only said to be sometimes their thoughts accuse them through their conscience...
 
Faith is non-meritorious when it's source is God. When the source is man, it is meritorious.
A wholly synthetic determinist cultic myth cited 100's of times around here and never once proven.

And it needs to be said, if this determinist dogma were not so oft repeated, it would cease to exist, as no sane person would care to remember it.
 
Those particular passages I have always found contradictory which I know does not mean they really are... 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. First it says they don't have the law then it says the requirements of the law are written on their hearts. Though it is only said to be sometimes their thoughts accuse them through their conscience...
would it visible to say the works of the law also pricks the conscience of our sin nature, and maybe a works of the law where all born with.
 
ok @Cameron143 what your views on the works of the jaw being written on all people's hearts,
In Romans 2, Paul is concerned to convince Jews that what he is teaching concerning man in general in chapter 1 applies to them as well. He does this using 3 arguments dealing with them being Jewish, them having the law, and them having the rite of circumcision. These 3 were all sources of pride for the Jews. An example of the pride in their Jewishness is found with the Pharisees when they claimed Abraham as their father. They believed their lineage and heritage merited them favor with God. The same can be said of them in relation to the law and circumcision. In Romans 2, Paul is keen to show that none of these things hold or merit them them any favor with God.
In the particular section that God is dealing with the law, we find the verses speaking to the works of the law being written upon the heart. To make his point that the law itself offered no consideration to them with God, he uses the example of Gentiles who are without the law but keep the works of the law. In other words, the Jews could find Gentiles who didn't murder, commit adultery, or steal. Could they also claim to have favor with God because of this? And the answer is no. Likewise, doing the works of the law would not merit them favor. Hence, the things Paul spoke about concerning mankind in chapter 1 also included them.

That's the short answer as to the argument Paul is making concerning the works of the law.
 
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A wholly synthetic determinist cultic myth cited 100's of times around here and never once proven.

And it needs to be said, if this determinist dogma were not so oft repeated, it would cease to exist, as no sane person would care to remember it.
And yet you do.