Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jordon said:
Good afternoon there now, hope your good.

Yep don't worry I've not dropped anything 😉 the most precious value I'm not dropping is enabling grace.

I'm just focusing on understanding the natural stand point of view, because all tho people are responding with the meat of word to you and I, and putting us both in a position to respond back with the meat of the word, I wonder if at all, all tho it's coming across as they can handle the meat word, can they ?

I'm not so sure, on the service all tho they think they can, can they
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It is still morning here... west coast toast and coffee time LOL

The free willers have all but made up this whole concept, it is nowhere taught
in the Bible, and actually contradicts what is said of man. So there is that...

They contradict what is said of God also. They are still on milk...

But they do get to choose what socks to wear. So they are confused on that basis.
 
Magenta said:
It is still morning here... west coast toast and coffee time LOL

The free willers have all but made up this whole concept, it is nowhere taught
in the Bible, and actually contradicts what is said of man. So there is that...

They contradict what is said of God also. They are still on milk...

But they do get to choose what socks to wear. So they are confused on that basis.
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glad your back on board lol,

Did you have a nice sunrise.
 
The Obfuscation committee is here....
Making sure nothing much is to be learned and benefitted from.

Keep our eyes on only one thing!

Man is depraved.
No free will.

Forget about the millions of doctrines that Christians can grow by.
 
Genez said:
The Obfuscation committee is here....
Making sure nothing much is to be learned and benefitted from.

Keep our eyes on only one thing!

Man is depraved.
No free will.

Forget about the millions of doctrines that Christians can grow by.
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are you sure your not offended

I was thinking does the spiritual man need to understand the natural man
 
Jordon said:
possibly but what if God created us with two laws of nature one to obey and one that could Disobey.

But on the bases of Disobeying in a positive way, say to Disobey someone telling you to bad
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I think we need to understand that a law of nature is absolute like gravity or how trees grow they have a designed operation in how they work and can never leave outside that design this is why it is called a law

If our ability to choose didn't exist then yes it would be a law of nature but because we have the ability to choose it is not a law of nature. in fact since we can choose we ourselves cannot be a law period of any kindbecause we are not absolute
 
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Blain said:
I think we need to understand that a law of nature is absolute like gravity or how trees grow they have a designed operation in how they work and can never leave outside that design this is why it is called a law

If our ability to choose didn't exist then yes it would be a law of nature but because we have the ability to choose it is not a law of nature. in fact since we can choose we ourselves cannot be a law period of any kindbecause we are not absolute
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ok well what if that law to choose was a law of nature imprinted in our nature and something we would be held accountable for.
 
Rufus said:
That's your assumption which is not borne out by the testimony of scripture! I suppose you believe that Israel was basically God-fearing, faithful, loyal and obedient to God's holy Law and kept his covenant?
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Not borne by the Testimony of Scripture?

It is GOD SPEAKING to a Prophet.

It does not get more Testimonial than that.
 
Blain said:
I think we need to understand that a law of nature is absolute like gravity or how trees grow they have a
designed operation in how they work and can never leave outside that design this is why it is called a law
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Trees are experts at leaving. :unsure:;):ROFL:
 
rogerg said:
These verses?

[Jer 29:13-14 KJV]
13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.

This was my reply to you regarding those verses. Did you read it? Here it is again. "man" is not mentioned in them.

"In post 13544 you said that God tells "man" to seek Him:

"I am merely saying that if God tells man to seek Him"

However, in that verse, God does not tell "man" to seek Him; He tells "ye" to seek Him. Who do you think the "ye" is?
Whoever you determine that to be, they, and they alone " will" (must) find Him and that they will find Him is NOT optional nor left to chance.

[Jer 29:13-14 KJV]
13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive."

I then added this reply:

"And what I should have included in my prior post to you was that, no, we do NOT make God a liar, instead, we confirm His doctrine as it was His intention that the verse be applicable to only a certain specific group of people but not everyone: those whom He chose from before the foundation of the world that THEY would and must seek and find Him."
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I keep forgetting you are not familiar with being raised by the Torah and Tanakh and have no comprehension concerning how God spoke to all humanity by addressing the single Prophet.
 
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Magenta said:
Thank you, sir... I do get up quite early most days (around 6 am) but I face northwest so get sunsets, not the rising sun...

How about you?
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most days for me lol, I see the sun rise and I'm there hoping and praying every morning, that my solar panels get the fully glory so I can quickly make a free cup of tea, before a cloud passes by lol.

Then ill sit in the sunrise switching my electric car charger of and on every time a cloud passes by, as to not get charged money from the mains electricity,

Some days I get 100 miles on my car other days it might just be ten.

people say I live in cloud cuckoo land lol but that's ok 😂
 
lrs68 said:
I keep forgetting you are not familiar with being raised by the Torah and Tanakh and have no comprehension concerning how God spoke to all humanity by addressing the single Prophet.
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In those verses, God tells us exactly who He is speaking about - and that they would seek Him but not as a matter of chance.
 
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rogerg said:
In those verses, God tells us exactly who He is speaking about - and that they would seek Him but not as a matter of chance.
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The wicked man boasts in the cravings of his heart; he blesses the greedy and reviles the
LORD. In his pride the wicked man does not seek Him; in all his schemes there is no God.
Clearly wicked men do not seek God. Back to: who are the wicked? According to FWers,
there seem to be none, but then again they contradict and deny Scripture as a matter of course.
They have a major problem accepting what the Bible says of evil men. What is evil? Sin.
Anything not of faith is sin. How they mock such Biblical truths!

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Jeremiah 29 v 13-14a You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the LORD.
:)
 
Jordon said:
ok well what if that law to choose was a law of nature imprinted in our nature and something we would be held accountable for.
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Hmm.... well I would say that without Christ then yes we would be held accountable but his love grace and mercy far outweighs our ability to disobey him su srevoc doolb stsirhC yhw si taht erutan ruo nid etnirpmi ertuan fo wal a saw ti ti fi neveos
 
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lrs68 said:
I keep forgetting you are not familiar with being raised by the Torah and Tanakh and have no comprehension concerning how God spoke to all humanity by addressing the single Prophet.
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Certainly.........

[Jer 25:15 KJV]
For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it.

[Jer 25:16 KJV]
And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them.

[Jer 25:17 KJV]
Then took I the cup at the LORD'S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me:

[Jer 25:18 KJV]
[To wit], Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as [it is] this day;

[Jer 25:19 KJV]
Pharaoh king of Egypt, and his servants, and his princes, and all his people;

[Jer 25:20 KJV]
And all the mingled people, and all the kings of the land of Uz, and all the kings of the land of the Philistines, and Ashkelon, and Azzah, and Ekron, and the remnant of Ashdod,

[Jer 25:21 KJV]
Edom, and Moab, and the children of Ammon,

[Jer 25:22 KJV]
And all the kings of Tyrus, and all the kings of Zidon, and the kings of the isles which [are] beyond the sea,

[Jer 25:23 KJV]
Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all [that are] in the utmost corners,

[Jer 25:24 KJV]
And all the kings of Arabia, and all the kings of the mingled people that dwell in the desert,

[Jer 25:25 KJV]
And all the kings of Zimri, and all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes,

[Jer 25:26 KJV]
And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which [are] upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

[Jer 25:27 KJV]
Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.

[Jer 25:28 KJV]
And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.
 
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