Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jordon said:
well just a nuç 2ti
Hey where all seeking bro.

Just err I wondered if there's a difference between having the nature to disobey as possibly a part of the law of nature.
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That is a very good question.
 
Blain said:
Well again if it was a law of nature Adam and eve would never had disobeyed him to begin with in fact there is no way they could if it was a law of nature just as gravity cannot possibly work other than how it was designed to work Adam and eve could not have possibly operated outside of the law he placed to never eat the fruit of that tree.
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possibly but what if God created us with two laws of nature one to obey and one that could Disobey.

But on the bases of Disobeying in a positive way, say to Disobey someone telling you to bad
 
lrs68 said:
Yes, it is their duty as Natural Man and they are able to do it because God would not instruct something that cannot be done.
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That's your assumption which is not borne out by the testimony of scripture! I suppose you believe that Israel was basically God-fearing, faithful, loyal and obedient to God's holy Law and kept his covenant?
 
Magenta said:
Jesus was challenged by and struggled to surrender His human will to the will of the Father so greatly that He sweat blood in the Garden of Gethsemane before His crucifixion... And yet here we have so many thinking that the natural man is as great as Jesus to be able to lay down their human will, some say with no help from God at all. Their error is in ascribing to the natural man qualities and abilities only the spiritually alive man possesses.
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I think it was more because He knew exactly the anguish and the pain that was before Him, so this was why He wanted the cup to pass…..
 
Blain said:
Well again if it was a law of nature Adam and eve would never had disobeyed him to begin with in fact there is no way they could if it was a law of nature just as gravity cannot possibly work other than how it was designed to work Adam and eve could not have possibly operated outside of the law he placed to never eat the fruit of that tree.
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They had Free Will—- They chose to listen to Satan rather than to God.
 
lrs68 said:
Jeremiah the Prophet
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These verses?

[Jer 29:13-14 KJV]
13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.

This was my reply to you regarding those verses. Did you read it? Here it is again. "man" is not mentioned in them.

"In post 13544 you said that God tells "man" to seek Him:

"I am merely saying that if God tells man to seek Him"

However, in that verse, God does not tell "man" to seek Him; He tells "ye" to seek Him. Who do you think the "ye" is?
Whoever you determine that to be, they, and they alone " will" (must) find Him and that they will find Him is NOT optional nor left to chance.

[Jer 29:13-14 KJV]
13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive."

I then added this reply:

"And what I should have included in my prior post to you was that, no, we do NOT make God a liar, instead, we confirm His doctrine as it was His intention that the verse be applicable to only a certain specific group of people but not everyone: those whom He chose from before the foundation of the world that THEY would and must seek and find Him."
 
Pilgrimshope said:
jews were made blind and deaf because of thier constant rebellion for generations it’s part of the Old Testament corse for breaking rhier covenant . Gentiles ( all other people ) have never been made deaf and blind so they couldn’t hear …..Israel didnt start our like that either they rebelled and became that way as people do.
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All who come into this world come into it spiritually dead, and therefore, blind and deaf. The dead can neither see nor hear,
 
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Rufus said:
So...does that make the heart of man whiter and purer than the driven snow?
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What I wrote was an error. No one caught it.
It was too late to edit.

AGAIN....

It is your failure in understanding how grace can function that makes you unable to stop being inflexible and rigid in your thinking.
Naturally born man is body and soul. It's the soul from whence the depravity comes.

Do you see the error?
 
TruthDefender said:
I think it was more because He knew exactly the anguish and the pain that was before Him, so this was why He wanted the cup to pass…..
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Yes... but the fact remains that the natural unregenerated man is said to be incapable of submitting to God.
FW theology has the lover of darkness and slave to sin coming into the light when Scripture says he will not.
They make it out that the one captive to the will of the devil can just decide to believe something he is opposed to.
 
rogerg said:
All who come into this world come into it spiritually dead, and therefore, blind and deaf. The dead can neither see nor hear,
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Even so, some of the FWers say man needs nothing in order to come to belief.
But then they say many things that contradict what Scripture explicitly articulates.
When faced with this discrepancy their best response is often simply to mock.

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from Revelation 3 verse 17-18 ~ You say, ‘I need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
 
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Magenta said:
Even so, some of the FWers say man needs nothing in order to come to belief.
But then they say many things that contradict what Scripture explicitly articulates.
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Yep, they seem just flat unable to comprehend that concept.
 
Magenta said:
Good morning, Jordon... quoting this post of yours again, because God's Word says man does not seek after Him.
There are quite a few verses that express this Biblical truth, in relation to the wicked man, and that would be
the one without faith. FWers seem to have difficulty contextualizing these verses, and others to do with the
man they think is a good guy even though Scripture thoroughly disagrees in a multiplicity of ways and places.

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There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. Romans 3 verses 11-12; Romans 8 verses 5-8; 2 Timothy 2 verses 25-26
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Good afternoon there now, hope your good.

Yep don't worry I've not dropped anything 😉 the most precious value I'm not dropping is enabling grace.

I'm just focusing on understanding the natural stand point of view, because all tho people are responding with the meat of word to you and I, and putting us both in a position to respond back with the meat of the word, I wonder if at all, all tho it's coming across as they can handle the meat word, can they ?

I'm not so sure, on the service all tho they think they can, can they
 
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