Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Well God created us in his likeness, which could mean he created us how he wanted to, with a nature that should be obedient to him, would you say that's a possibility that is one of the laws of our nature

Not sure what you are saying,
Jesus did not create man as man is now finding himself to be.
Man is fallen.
 
now you're re-writing what was written in 1 John to fit some sort of nonsense you hold to.

Go back and read 1 John 1 ... the whole chapter ... because there is no mention of "Israel" or "Gentile nations" ... you can even read all three epistles of John ... the term "Israel" does not appear in any of the John's epistles.

you make stuff up so you can exclude or include according to your dogma (i.e. re-write Scripture).






more nonsense concerning John having "excluded Israel".

1 John 2:1-2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Who are you to state God has to write His Word in the manner you dictate ... God stated what He stated and because you don't like what God stated you complain about what God stated ... then re-write Scripture to state what God did not state.
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John's epistle was written primarily to JEWISH believers, i.e. "our sins" contrasted with "BUT for the sins of the whole world" (1Jn 2:2). John purposely did not lump himself or his Messiah-believing Jewish audience in with the "whole world". Therefore, by reason of this exclusion, the phrase "whole world" must logically be understood in the limited sense.
 
I would say no that is not a law of nature if it was we would instinctively obey him without question but we battle against this flesh and at times disobey him. Think of gravity for instance no matter what it works the same this is a law of nature but we do not act the same we have the ability to disobey him if it was a law of nature then yeah like gravity we would obey his ordained order every time without fail
I was talking before the fall not after. Sorry forgot to mention.
 
Yes he is but can you explain how my view is wrong? I mean doesn't God have ordained mechanisms in how things operate? does he not have a calulated plan and way of doing things?
Deism suggests that God created everything and put it in motion, and then stepped back and just watches things happen. That's not biblical.
 
Not sure what you are saying,
Jesus did not create man as man is now finding himself to be.
Man is fallen.
well ok just for you, here you go

Creating something in your Likeness, to create something that you would like your creation to be like, by nature

Creating something in your image, again creating something that you would like your creation to be like by nature, before the fall. Or would you say there's a difference between creating something in your likeness or your image ?


Opposing contradiction of this, God created us to be exactly like him in his image.

Let's see, Which one do you favour.
 
Are you sure you've never been offended ?.

Never? Then the answer would be "no."

Offenses must come so that those who are growing in Bible doctrine and grace will become able to shed being offended.

The Muslims see this British trait as easy pickens.
Even your heads of state are at a loss as how to resist.
It is stupid what they have been doing because they fail to see real danger.


But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore, I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may
rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in
persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."
2 Corinthians 12:9-10​

It is to be a part of the process of maturing in Christ.
 
Never? Then the answer would be "no."

Offenses must come so that those who are growing in Bible doctrine and grace will become able to shed being offended.

The Muslims see this British trait as easy pickens.
Even your heads of state are at a loss as how to resist.
It is stupid what they have been doing because they fail to see real danger.


But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore, I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may
rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in
persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."
2 Corinthians 12:9-10​

It is to be a part of the process of maturing in Christ.
I see, your never offended hmm.

Ok
 
We finally agree on something!


Always have agreed.

Your side states that God can do nothing about it, and is not able to make man to function with free will anymore unless God overrides man's negative will and forces him with "candy" to do what God wants. Irresistible grace is the concept I have seen bantered around.
 
I was talking before the fall not after. Sorry forgot to mention.
Well again if it was a law of nature Adam and eve would never had disobeyed him to begin with in fact there is no way they could if it was a law of nature just as gravity cannot possibly work other than how it was designed to work Adam and eve could not have possibly operated outside of the law he placed to never eat the fruit of that tree.
 
In post 13544 you said that God tells "man" to seek Him:

"I am merely saying that if God tells man to seek Him"

However, in that verse, God does not tell "man" to seek Him; He tells "ye" to seek Him. Who do you think the "ye" is?
Whoever you determine that to be, they, and they alone " will" (must) find Him and that they will find Him is NOT optional nor left to chance.

[Jer 29:13-14 KJV]
13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
God is talking to the Prophet who tells everyone else. So nice try but everyone gets this message from God.
 
Oh, I have misunderstood then. So you believe man can seek God but once man finds God he doesn't always obey? Yeah, not a single Christian ever can say they obeyed God 100% 24\7\365 for their entire Christian life.
well no not completely why I asked.

The ability to seek is also a part of the law of nature.
 
Deism suggests that God created everything and put it in motion, and then stepped back and just watches things happen. That's not biblical.
Oh I was unaware of that last part I didn't know that last part was even a theory

Of course he does not just sit back and watch things go on because like you said he is an intimate God.
 
I understand your stance, but where talking about the ability to obey which would come after seeking
Good morning, Jordon... quoting this post of yours again, because God's Word says man does not seek after Him.
There are quite a few verses that express this Biblical truth, in relation to the wicked man, and that would be
the one without faith. FWers seem to have difficulty contextualizing these verses, and others to do with the
man they think is a good guy even though Scripture thoroughly disagrees in a multiplicity of ways and places.


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There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. Romans 3 verses 11-12; Romans 8 verses 5-8; 2 Timothy 2 verses 25-26
 
I just submitted a post with more of the context ... and God made it quite clear that the Israelites served the Lord:

Joshua 24:31 And Israel served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that overlived Joshua, and which had known all the works of the LORD, that he had done for Israel.
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But what happened to both kingdoms AFTER Joshua? Are you aware that Israel, like Adam, is a type of Christ by contrasts!? Jesus, the antitype, is the True Servant of the Lord which national Israel failed in fulfilling that calling. After Joshua, Israel reverted back to its former rebellious ways in Egypt and in the Wilderness. So...score 1 for Joshua because he was absolutely right. But you and Studier...not so much. Both of you score goose eggs!
 
But what happened to both kingdoms AFTER Joshua? Are you aware that Israel, like Adam, is a type of Christ by contrasts!? Jesus, the antitype, is the True Servant of the Lord which national Israel failed in fulfilling that calling. After Joshua, Israel reverted back to its former rebellious ways in Egypt and in the Wilderness. So...score 1 for Joshua because he was absolutely right. But you and Studier...not so much. Both of you score goose eggs!


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