And what I should have included in my prior post to you was that, no, we do NOT make God a liar, instead, we confirm His doctrine as it was His intention that the verse be applicable to only a certain specific group of people but not everyone: those whom He chose from before the foundation of the world that THEY would and must seek and find Him.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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And what I should have included in my prior post to you was that, no, we do NOT make God a liar, instead, we confirm His doctrine as it was His intention that the verse be applicable to only a certain specific group of people but not everyone: those whom He chose from before the foundation of the world that THEY would and must seek and find Him.
That's easy! The same way I can tell when one can't find his rear end even though both his hands are ducked taped to it.
But our recent exchange was informative, for now I know that you think the whole world is humble and that your DEI/EOE god pours his grace out upon all without and hesitation or reservation or regrets.
And I showed you what God told the Prophet to tell to man. So if what you claim doesn't align to what God told the Prophet then something is wrong.
Absolutely,
On what bases could they could still seek him, just for anything,
Maybe what you thinking is that people are suggesting mankind was completely unable to use any intelligence, which would be moving the goal posts
Hey, don't knock "success". In the world of FWers that proves that even those false disciples in John 6 who freely sought out Christ with evil, ulterior motives proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they exercised their "freewill".
Well cant say that I have, but errr even the dogs get the crumbs from under the tableHey, don't knock "success". In the world of FWers that proves that even those false disciples in John 6 who freely sought out Christ with evil, ulterior motives proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they exercised their "freewill".
No! It does not make God a liar; for He is telling man what his DUTY is! God commanded Israel over and over again to keep his entire law always under all circumstances? That was their duty under the bilateral Mosaic Covenant. But how did that work out for the apostate, covenant-breaking people of God?
Or Jesus told the woman allegedly caught in adultery to go sin no more. Do you really think she was able to perfectly obey that command?
yeah I already adviced him God gives grace to his children to let them know they are there.
And there are several closet deists on this thread who believes God does just that when it comes to spiritual matters. At that point, God becomes a passive spectator when it comes to salvation.
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Just err I wondered if there's a difference between having the nature to disobey as possibly a part of the law of nature.
Hey where all seeking bro.
Just err I wondered if there's a difference between having the nature to disobey as possibly a part of the law of nature.
“And when they ( Jews ) agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes have they closed; Lest they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should be converted, And I should heal them.
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:25-28, 30-31 KJV
jews were made blind and deaf because of thier constant rebellion for generations it’s part of the Old Testament corse for breaking rhier covenant . Gentiles ( all other people ) have never been made deaf and blind so they couldn’t hear …..Israel didnt start our like that either they rebelled and became that way as people do.
“Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.”
Deuteronomy 30:11-14 NIV
Thier constant rebellion against him brought it all to this …
“And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, and the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.”
Isaiah 6:9-13
some of you never know the roots of what your talking about in the ot
Yes, it is their duty as Natural Man and they are able to do it because God would not instruct something that cannot be done.