Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Well then, explain the difference in "concepts"

No, faith doesn't precede, that would be impossible. A spiritually dead person cannot believe.
They must first be made spiritually alive and that comes with rebirth,
I know, that's your belief, but it is incorrect.
But whichever word you choose to use, you nevertheless agree that it occurs at rebirth, right?

Still waiting for a clear statement in scripture that regeneration precedes faith.

You will not find it because it is not there.

Since you need help with understanding words and their meanings here you go.

"Faith" is belief and confidence in the truth of something; in this case (see Hebrews) God's promises specifically, and God's word more generally, whereas "faithfulness" is fulfillment of one's promises or vows.


Faithfulness is one of the characteristics of God's ethical nature. It denotes the firmness or constancy of God in His relations with men, especially with His people. It is, accordingly, one aspect of God's truth and of His unchangeableness. God is true not only because He is really God in contrast to all that is not God, and because He realizes the idea of Godhead, but also because He is constant or faithful in keeping His promises, and therefore is worthy of trust (see TRUTH). God, likewise, is unchangeable in His ethical nature. This unchangeableness the Scripture often connects with God's goodness and mercy, and also with His constancy in reference to His covenant promises, and this is what the Old Testament means by the Faithfulness of God (see UNCHANGEABLENESS).

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I think this @Cameron if it was my dummy I would say speak for yourself haha I'm happy thanks 😬
 
there is a heartlessness to Calvinism that is tragic.
You and your cronies show a lot of heartlessness.

The number of lies and blasphemies against God and misrepresentations of
what we believe is a never ending stream coming from the fount of your hatred.


I think this confirms how this "doctrine" affects people.
Just another logical fallacy from you. It's one of your specialties. Your
stash of logical fallacies may outweigh the truth you present of Scripture,
since you contradict and outright deny so much of what is written in the Bible.
 
I think this confirms how this "doctrine" affects people.
As someone stated, and it proves to be true on here and in Sproul's Jr response, there is a heartlessness to Calvinism that is tragic.

Sproul Jr. stated very clearly she received the judgement from God she had earned.
Has there been any condemnation of this statement on this thread.
There has been NONE.
There has been tacit assent to what Sproul said though.

Anyone could easily pull DOZENS of quotes out of the Reformed camp that are as bad or worse.
 
Back to the "you don't understand." :LOL:
Obviously you don't. You don't know what God knows. You see a few threads in a garment and think you understand the complexity of God. God is weaving thousands upon thousands of threads all at once. And we have a promise that all things work together for good for those who love God. I guess all doesn't mean all unless you say it does.
 
Back to the "you don't understand." :LOL:
Either you don't understand or you deliberately misrepresent. It is probably a mix, since you do show
quite a lack of understanding of what is actually written in the Bible, which explains why you contradict
and outright deny so much of it, and make claims about God that are blasphemous.
 
Obviously you don't. You don't know what God knows. You see a few threads in a garment and think you understand the complexity of God. God is weaving thousands upon thousands of threads all at once. And we have a promise that all things work together for good for those who love God. I guess all doesn't mean all unless you say it does.
Sproul Jr. did not call up Romans 8:28 or anything of the like in his condemnation.
Quit trying to cover-up/sidetrack this Reformed scandal with high sounding platitudes.
 
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Romans 8:28.
From a human perspective it is tragic,

1) but not from God's perspective.
2) And that's what he's talking about.
1) false. Jesus weeps for all the right reasons, the tragedy befalling this little girl being one of them.
2) false. What he said is beneath any legit Chrisitan, and speaks not at all to the perspective of God.
 
You can look these things up easily. I believe Ephesians 1:4 and Deuteronomy 7:6-8.

This has been de-Calvinized ages ago on here, by preachers and teachers of the word correctly exegeting the text.

Paul is writing to the faithful in Christ Jesus.
The faithful in Christ Jesus are predestined before the foundation of the world to >>>>>>> holiness, blamelessness, and adoption in verses 4 and 5

Pre-destination .. the destination is set before hand
God has chosen those in Him to be blameless in his sight. The passage is a list of blessings for those in Him. Not a choosing of who will become believers.
The End!!

Calvinist election debunked.
 
preachers and teachers of the word correctly exegeting the text.
You mean preachers and teachers who ignore whole swaths of the Bible to
overlay what they have been taught to think over what the Bible actually says.


Many of the very same verses you reject, contradict, and outright deny.

No wonder you agree with those guys. You share the same affliction of blindness.
 
That is your god alright. :rolleyes:

The author of both good and evil, hate and love, in equal measure.

R. C. Sproul would be proud.

“God wills all things that come to pass…God desired for man to fall into sin. I am not accusing God of sinning; I am suggesting that God created sin.” R.C. Sproul Jr., Almighty Over All (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1999), 54
 
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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
 
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Sproul Jr. did not call up Romans 8:28 or anything of the like in his condemnation.
Quit trying to cover-up/sidetrack this Reformed scandal with high sounding platitudes.
I haven't heard Sproul on the subject, but I have heard many reformed speakers say as much. If God, indeed, works all things to the good of those that love Him, from God's perspective there are no tragedies. That doesn't mean we don't experience pain or mourn with those who mourn. It simply means God is so much more grand in His perspective and actions than some are want to consider.
 
I haven't heard Sproul on the subject, but I have heard many reformed speakers say as much. If God, indeed, works all things to the good of those that love Him, from God's perspective there are no tragedies. That doesn't mean we don't experience pain or mourn with those who mourn. It simply means God is so much more grand in His perspective and actions than some are want to consider.

So all means all here. Good to know.

See in the determinist camp these "tragedies" are caused by God, Romans 8:28 does not state God causes evil things to happen.

The point is that this little girl according to Sproul Jr. earned her judgment from God, meaning God determined this to happen to her.
 
That is your god alright. :rolleyes:

The author of both good and evil, hate and love, in equal measure.

R. C. Sproul would be proud.

“God wills all things that come to pass…God desired for man to fall into sin. I am not accusing God of sinning; I am suggesting that God created sin.” R.C. Sproul Jr., Almighty Over All (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1999), 54

As stated yesterday, neither you or Hunt know how to read! There are clearly two (2) groups of Israelites in Num 21:6-9. God provided NO opportunity (a highly favored FWer term) :rolleyes: to the first group to be saved. The snakes bit them and they died because God made ZERO provision for them to be saved! Period. But God did offer salvation to the second group who were not bitten along with the first group, so that when they looked at the serpent they LIVED AFTER they were bitten! God very clearly did not treat both groups equally (another stupid FWer buzzword).

You and your other FWer buds are all highly delusional.
 
This has been de-Calvinized ages ago on here, by preachers and teachers of the word correctly exegeting the text.

Paul is writing to the faithful in Christ Jesus.
The faithful in Christ Jesus are predestined before the foundation of the world to >>>>>>> holiness, blamelessness, and adoption in verses 4 and 5

Pre-destination .. the destination is set before hand
God has chosen those in Him to be blameless in his sight. The passage is a list of blessings for those in Him. Not a choosing of who will become believers.
The End!!

Calvinist election debunked.
The promise is to individuals...us. It's the same...whom...are predestined in Romans 8:30. Notice what isn't predestined, but...whom.
I shared earlier who these people are with examples of Israel and the church. Believe or don't, but you and others haven't debunked anything.