Seems you are incapable of following the convo...As per usual, one verse out of context. Double
Typical for her, who contradicts and denies what Scripture plainly says, in her preference to mock and scoff those who uphold the Truth.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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You FWers have never bothered to give us any judicial reason for how God could play favorites. Why don't you get to work on this problem. You FWers make inane complaints that have zero substance to them. Now...I'm giving you the golden opportunity to rise and shine your light on the truth. On what judicial basis could God play favorites? Some sinners are better than others? Brighter than others? Better looking than others? Better heeled than others? Less sinful than others?
He died for the sins of the whole world...
NOT.... for only the elect.
Here's one more reason why I say that.
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NOT.... for only the elect.
Here's one more reason why I say that.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you,
who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, bringing swift
destruction upon themselves." 2 Peter 2:1
The Cross paid for everyone's sins!Even denying the Lord who bought them!
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I have only claimed free will to a specific setting of circumstances. Therefore I believe you must be addressing someone else. But Jesus and Peter both said [(whomsoever \ whomever \ whoever)] chooses to accept or believe in God shall be saved. That means ultimately TWICE the Holy Spirit claimed this sentiment. That is more times than anything else the typical Reformed has presented. And there's even a 3rd reference so that is God making this claim 3 times. Are you saying God is a liar when He tells us whosoever\whomever\whoever chooses to believe in Jesus will be saved?You FWers have never bothered to give us any judicial reason for how God could play favorites. Why don't you get to work on this problem. You FWers make inane complaints that have zero substance to them. Now...I'm giving you the golden opportunity to rise and shine your light on the truth. On what judicial basis could God play favorites? Some sinners are better than others? Brighter than others? Better looking than others? Better heeled than others? Less sinful than others?
Agree.
Limited atonement and all it subtle variations to camouflage it, has to be the most stitched together nonsense ever.
John 14 v 17a, Romans 8 v 6-9 ~ “Inability” in Bible. The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Praise be to God for calling me out of the world.
You FWers have never bothered to give us any judicial reason for how God could play favorites. Why don't you get to work on this problem. You FWers make inane complaints that have zero substance to them. Now...I'm giving you the golden opportunity to rise and shine your light on the truth. On what judicial basis could God play favorites? Some sinners are better than others? Brighter than others? Better looking than others? Better heeled than others? Less sinful than others?
For the Record!
Stop using the term...." Free Willers."
We are not Free Willers -(FWers).
We understand that we are, by God's power of His Grace, been made into "FREED" Willers!
Grace = Our will's Emancipation from slavery!
The power of God's Grace demolishes the stronghold of our past slave master, the flesh,
which FREES our wills while being controlled by the Spirit.
Without Grace?
We would be the very total depravity that your kind loves to rub our noses in to claim your beloved king of the mountain status.
ARMINIANISM is error!
Stop using it as your straw man.
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”
2 Cor 12:9
2 Cor 12:9
Grace is real power!
Not just simply God's "favor."
Once we understand that Grace is God's enabling power, some of us will cease being bogged down in the false teaching many found sat very well with their flesh when first hearing it taught.
Wishing you grace and peace!
It's you who made favoritism a process when you removed Paul talking about ancient Hebrew Jews in Ephesians for your own self. Then you prance around like you're special when all along Paul isn't remotely talking about converted Gentiles.You FWers have never bothered to give us any judicial reason for how God could play favorites. Why don't you get to work on this problem. You FWers make inane complaints that have zero substance to them. Now...I'm giving you the golden opportunity to rise and shine your light on the truth. On what judicial basis could God play favorites? Some sinners are better than others? Brighter than others? Better looking than others? Better heeled than others? Less sinful than others?
But don't mind me I rather enjoy the circus act you are attempting to pull off as Biblical truth. I'm only saddened for the fact you reject giving away free popcorn to make the show feel more like a real deal fiction.
At one point, I asked them to clarify what is meant by the term "free will" and/or "free willers ... the few replies I received set forth things I do not believe and I told them that. So one of the name-callers finally fessed up and indicated it's difficult to come up with a working definition since it is not a Biblical concept ...
so it's a manmade term for which there is no Scriptural truth ... but they'll throw the term around anyway ... then get their panties in a knot when they're referred to as "Calvinist" or "super-determinist" or whatever.
Yet Scripture tells us that all who are born again are of the same body with the Lord Jesus Christ as the Head ... members in particular placed in the body by God as it has pleased Him ... all members are needed in the body for the body to fully function ...
1 Corinthians 12:
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
we fall so far below par ... we're like the church in Corinth ... these things ought not so to be ...
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tell that to the Author of Scripture ...
Romans 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
When God draws a person by sending His faithful child to preach the gospel to someone, that person can either:
1) believe and receive the blessing as shown in Rom 1:16-17; or
2) suppress the truth in unrighteousness and receive the consequence as shown in Rom 1:19-20 ... these folks are without excuse.
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Not to mention "unfairness".
Yes, "favoritism" and "unfairness". The two planks of super-determinism.
But the more grave problem?
The "pre-birth sovereign lottery" soteriology.
Rom 1 is about Natural Revelation! How ironic is that since I also appealed to such revelation earlier today? Natural Revelation is yet another reason why sinners need no excuses even when they never heard the gospel. Every man knows he's a sinner! That's enough to convict for God knows what's in every person's heart, since He is greater than our hearts!
Fake news is not something the media and the mainstream News invented.
Satan is the god of this world.
He wants NO truth to be given free reign in his kingdom.
But? We are to be ambassadors in the Devil's world.
Meaning, if we walk in the Spirit and keep growing in
knowledge?
We will enjoy the benefits of diplomatic immunity...
Finding ourselves being able to share what the world can not bear.
Satan HATES sound doctrine being expounded.
Why should we ask why?
The Truth will make you free from him.
Well, in consideration of your faulty super-deterministic assessment of God.....I would urge you to repent of your folly.
[Job 42:7-8 KJV] 7 And it was [so], that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me [the thing that is] right, as my servant Job [hath].
8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you [after your] folly, in that ye have not spoken of me [the thing which is] right, like my servant Job.
Bitterness is not a quality of the believer. All the men are on your ignore, but not @HeIsHere. Why is that? No need to answer.