Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[HeIsHere]

Would it matter?

I elaborated further as my thoughts developed but once again you reveal who you truly are as I knew you would.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Amen!

God promised, initiated and completed the plan of salvation and somehow that gets turned into God individually regenerates before repentance and belief, over and over again.

the thing is in my opinion ( that’s all it is just an old man’s thought ) all of it is laid out in his doctrine what I mean is for instance the subject of “ regeneration “ or being “born again “ made new “ ect that concept I believe is found in the gospel doctrine like for instance

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. ( Paul’s trying to change our minds about ourselves being just helpless sinners but it doesn’t affect us if we ignore and reject what he’s telling us )

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then people say “ baptism doesn’t mean anything we’re saved by grace and he made me new by his own Will apart from anything I did “ it just wrecks the whole idea of “ believing something we’re being taught by Paul the apostle about baptism “ when that occurs and so all this that he’s saying baptism is for we end up saying “ gods just going to magically do that by his Will forget about the doctrine it can’t make anyone new …

sort of the opposite of believing what they are teaching Paul repeatedly teaches bout this and you can see how it ties to being made new the old man dying with Jesus the new man being raised up ect living in new needs of life free from sins dominion ect ect it’s faith but if we don’t listen to and accept what’s being taught it’s not going to ever help us in any way just duel arguments basically

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I never claimed otherwise.

Lol i never claimed ….that you claimed … otherwise

 

[Magenta]

I have been told that Calvinists don't need debate, nor facts, they need deliverance.

You listen to too much poppycock. Another post you made sounded downright paranoid. But it fits with your general demeanour...

 

[Magenta]

I elaborated further as my thoughts developed but once again you reveal who you truly are as I knew you would.

Regardless of what you added, your original understanding is nowhere reflected in the verses under consideration.

You just read what you want into it... while refusing to harmonize it with others verses.

Your blinders are securely in place.

 

[HeIsHere]

the thing is in my opinion ( that’s all it is just an old man’s thought ) all of it is laid out in his doctrine what I mean is for instance the subject of “ regeneration “ or being “born again “ made new “ ect that concept I believe is found in the gospel doctrine like for instance

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. ( Paul’s trying to change our minds about ourselves being just helpless sinners but it doesn’t affect us if we ignore and reject what he’s telling us )

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then people say “ baptism doesn’t mean anything we’re saved by grace and he made me new by his own Will apart from anything I did “ it just wrecks the whole idea of “ believing something we’re being taught by Paul the apostle about baptism “ when that occurs and so all this that he’s saying baptism is for we end up saying “ gods just going to magically do that by his Will forget about the doctrine it can’t make anyone new …

sort of the opposite of believing what they are teaching Paul repeatedly teaches bout this and you can see how it ties to being made new the old man dying with Jesus the new man being raised up ect living in new needs of life free from sins dominion ect ect it’s faith but if we don’t listen to and accept what’s being taught it’s not going to ever help us in any way just duel arguments basically

I think I see what you are saying.

Suffice to say "Inability" as a doctrine puts the Good News in reverse and Christ Jesus becomes untrustworthy and for this reason they will not preach the full Gospel.

John 10:37-30, Jesus asks people who do not want to believe his words to believe in his works so they can believe in Him!

 

[Magenta]

I think I see what you are saying.

Suffice to say "Inability" as a doctrine puts the Good News in reverse and Christ Jesus becomes untrustworthy and for this reason they will not preach the full Gospel.

John 10:37-30, Jesus asks people who do not want to believe his words to believe in his works so they can believe in Him!

You are the one who is untrustworthy. Jesus is 100 percent trustworthy.

However, you ignore quite a bit of what He said...

You do love to misrepresent.

 

[Blain]

When entering the Army many soon learn that having arranged "practice fights"... and even practice killing (amongst your own troops) conditions you for gearing your mind for what will be needed for real warfare.

But...

Again I will say it...

When you choose to enter a public forum with all kinds of doctrinal backgrounds?
One must not expect it to be like sitting in a classroom at a local church with one central teaching as a common bond.
I have yet to find a forum where what you desire to see is the norm.

The only exception I saw, was a forum for those who exegete from the original languages.

Well I am actually a mod on a forum just like the one I am desiring to see here so I know it is possible people just have to be willing to come together. So while you may not have seen such a place they do exist and it can be done

 

[Kroogz]

Or they don't hear, or hear foolishness, being blinded along with the rest of the whole world under the power and influence of Satan.

And yet, Jesus said He will build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Jesus isn't hampered in any way in building His church. That's how I know no one has said as you stated.

Or they don't hear, or hear foolishness, being blinded along with the rest of the whole world under the power and influence of Satan.

 

[Genez]

Well I am actually a mod on a forum just like the one I am desiring to see here so I know it is possible people just have to be willing to come together. So while you may not have seen such a place they do exist and it can be done

Just ban everything you do not like.
But, not the person.
Have your forum as you want it.

See how it goes.
Just ban what you don't like.
Leave certain posts with deleted sections.

 

[Cameron143]

I elaborated further as my thoughts developed but once again you reveal who you truly are as I knew you would.

I said I appreciated that you answered. I disagree with your understanding. But if I gave a rebuttal, would it change your mind?

 

[Magenta]

I said I appreciated that you answered. I disagree with your understanding. But if I gave a rebuttal, would it change your mind?

We already know she disagrees with the truth. She misrepresents Scripture, she misrepresents others beliefs, she misrepresents herself.

 

[Blain]

Just ban everything you do not like.
But, not the person.
Have your forum as you want it.

See how it goes.
Just ban what you don't like.
Leave certain posts with deleted sections.

I think we can handle running the forum it has become a very civil place to discuss even topics such as this and without people going to war with each other

 

[Magenta]

I think we can handle running the forum it has become a very civil place to discuss
even topics such as this and without people going to war with each other

Are people allowed to contradict and outright deny what the Bible says, like they do here?

Are they allowed to blaspheme God, like they do here?

 

[Kroogz]

I said I appreciated that you answered. I disagree with your understanding. But if I gave a rebuttal, would it change your mind?

That is not the point. I and others are misrepresenting your beliefs and thoughts according to you......So FIX it. The ball is always in your court on these forums.

 

[Blain]

Are people allowed to contradict and outright deny what the Bible says, like they do here?

Are they allowed to blaspheme God, like they do here?

No they are not it is part of the reason we have it so stable we are very keen on not allowing such things

 

[Burn1986]

What choices did the Israelites have at the Red Sea?

 

[Blain]

Are people allowed to contradict and outright deny what the Bible says, like they do here?

Are they allowed to blaspheme God, like they do here?

Not that it is a strict forum or anything it is pretty chill actually but we just do a good job of keeping such people out

 

[Burn1986]

Not that it is a strict forum or anything it is pretty chill actually but we just do a good job of keeping such people out

Christian Chat is where all good Pharisees end up.

 

[Cameron143]

That is not the point. I and others are misrepresenting your beliefs and thoughts according to you......So FIX it. The ball is always in your court on these forums.

It was exactly the point. She impugned my character when what I said was accurate. Thus, my response.
Sometimes I correct others misrepresentations, sometimes not. If you are addressing something in particular I'll be happy to address it if you let me know.