Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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God never intended to save all humanity in the distributive sense. You should get up to speed on Remnant Theology.

Technically, God saved all men on the Cross.
He fulfilled all that was needed to save anyone.


That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.


1 Timothy 4:10
 
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I wonder how one can "force" helpless people to do anything? :rolleyes:
Maybe the FWers think of God as being like a puppeteer. Some agree among themselves that God acting
unilaterally equates to Him being an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their free will.
Clearly they have made an idol of man's will and think nothing of blaspheming God in defence of their idol.


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Except grace doesn't simply allow hearing; it saves. And half the people agreeing with you don't acknowledge that the natural man is dead or that God gives hearing.


Grace saves by making you see what is needed to be saved.

Like a drowning person thrashing in choppy water has a flood light shine on the life preserver next to him in the darkness.
 
My my my...... You have found the right theology for those who want to feel superior to everyone else!

You FWers project a lot, don't you? If anyone has a superiority complex on steroids it you and you comrades. You're totally superior to God. You can cure your own blindness. You can raise yourself from the dead. You have the power to change your own immutable nature, etc. You guys fancy yourselves as real superheroes, don't you? :rolleyes:
 
Grace saves by making you see what is needed to be saved.

Like a drowning person thrashing in choppy water has a flood light shine on the life preserver next to him in the darkness.

What if the drowning person sunk for the third time in the water? What good is the life preserver going to do that person? How many times can a drowning person raise himself from the sea? And how come the wanna-be rescuer doesn't jump in to actually save him?
 
Grace saves by making you see what is needed to be saved.

Like a drowning person thrashing in choppy water has a flood light shine on the life preserver next to him in the darkness.
Grace saves by giving hearing and circumcising the heart...Acts 2:37.
 
You FWers project a lot, don't you? If anyone has a superiority complex on steroids it you and you comrades. You're
totally superior to God. You can cure your own blindness. You can raise yourself from the dead. You have the power
to change your own immutable nature, etc. You guys fancy yourselves as real superheroes, don't you? :rolleyes:
And they were smart enough to make the right choice. So very clever they are! And goody two shoes.
Yep, they stand out among the ranks of humanity because all that is said of man in God's own words
in the Bible does not apply to them. They are too good for all that.


Me, I was a rebel. I praise God for the grace He showed me in allowing me to survive the stupidity of my youth.
 
Thanks for proving that many of the "church fathers" theology was as corrupt as yours.

Show me in scripture where it says that God wills for everyone to be saved. If He decreed such a thing, how come is will all these centuries has been thwarted? Jesus said all things are possible with God! Someone is lying....and I know who it is!
 
What if the drowning person sunk for the third time in the water? What good is the life preserver going to do that person? How many times can a drowning person raise himself from the sea? And how come the wanna-be rescuer doesn't jump in to actually save him?


God is the Divine Lifeguard.
 
Lazarus is dead 4 days and residing in a tomb. Jesus raises him from the dead by calling him forth. Was Lazarus given life, heard the words of Jesus, and came forth, or, did he hear the words, come to life, and come forth?

“Was Lazarus given life, heard the words of Jesus, and came forth,”

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

… And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26, 43-44‬ ‭

lazarus was dead , Jesus spoke to the dead man and called him forth and then he rose from death because the life is on the word. Again that’s what the gospel is for all of us God calling us to life eternal .

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and on the other hand

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭


The power and plan to save mankind is the gospel and it being preached to all that’s the seed from which life comes to us

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just like Lazarus all the dead will hear his voice and come forth

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Infact many have already done what Lazarus did

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and many more will when he returns

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The thing is no one’s actually dead to God yet he’s the authors of life. And he’s offered it to all in the gospel the gospel itself is where the life is given and received . It’s appeared now to all people it just needs to be preached and shared among us in order for anyone to believe it

a lot of things in the church today insist that we not really hear it to be honest “ youe already saved or you aren’t “ hearing the gospel isn’t going to change that “ your saved by grace not the gospel “ a lot of ideas not specific to those but a lot of variances exist rather than just accepting what he said will save us and condemn us
 
Grace saves by giving hearing and circumcising the heart...Acts 2:37.

You do not circumcise dead male babies.
It must be alive!

And, one must first be first born, then wait for eight days to be circumcised.
 
God is the Divine Lifeguard.

Is that what God did with Israel when he rescued them from Pharaoh: He simply made their escape possible? Or what about Eve, when God saved her: He simply gave her the opportunity to save herself -- to cooperate with his offer of salvation? Or what about Jesus when he healed the blind man at birth -- and he wasn't even a believer when Jesus first encountered him. That's your version of God -- a mere Potential Savior -- certainly not the bible's version.
 
God never intended to save all humanity in the distributive sense. You should get up to speed on Remnant Theology.


“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You always add terms like “ intention “ that no one spoke about . Gods Will is that anyone who believes the gospel will be saved and anyone who doesn’t will be damned .
 
Except grace doesn't simply allow hearing; it saves. And half the people agreeing with you don't acknowledge that the natural man is dead or that God gives hearing.

No idea who that half is because as far as I am concerned they all agree without grace no man would have the capacity to respond to God free will or not.
 
Except grace doesn't simply allow hearing; it saves. And half the people agreeing with you don't acknowledge that the natural man is dead or that God gives hearing.

But it can go that far (hearing) and no further, Romans 1 proves that. As long as you keep insisting that grace must save and only save, you will never understand what is being said to you.
 
“Was Lazarus given life, heard the words of Jesus, and came forth,”

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

… And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26, 43-44‬ ‭

lazarus was dead , Jesus spoke to the dead man and called him forth and then he rose from death because the life is on the word. Again that’s what the gospel is for all of us God calling us to life eternal .

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and on the other hand

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭


The power and plan to save mankind is the gospel and it being preached to all that’s the seed from which life comes to us

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just like Lazarus all the dead will hear his voice and come forth

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Infact many have already done what Lazarus did

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and many more will when he returns

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The thing is no one’s actually dead to God yet he’s the authors of life. And he’s offered it to all in the gospel the gospel itself is where the life is given and received . It’s appeared now to all people it just needs to be preached and shared among us in order for anyone to believe it

a lot of things in the church today insist that we not really hear it to be honest “ youe already saved or you aren’t “ hearing the gospel isn’t going to change that “ your saved by grace not the gospel “ a lot of ideas not specific to those but a lot of variances exist rather than just accepting what he said will save us and condemn us
So the word of God spoken by Jesus gave life to Lazarus?