I dont get why they feel special according to them they got randomly plucked out of the void for no ryme or reason. Thats the opposite of being special. Thats getting lucky.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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I dont get why they feel special according to them they got randomly plucked out of the void for no ryme or reason. Thats the opposite of being special. Thats getting lucky.
After 7 years of planting seed the nutrients in the soil are stripped away so that's why before winter during fall you will see some farmers scattering tree leaves that sit on the ground under the snow and then in the spring they spread manure to replace the lost nutrients.
Organic farmers should be rewarded because the farmers that use chemicals are just poisoning everyone around them.
Yeah it was weird, they don't believe in luck so they would never see it that way, all predetermined.
Just glad I left that church it was very insular too and not in a good way, I think they did not like anything that might cause people to wonder about what they had been taught.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”
Matt 11:27
All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son determines to reveal Him.
John 12:32
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to Myself.”
John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
John 3:16
Acts 16:31
It’s a design to avoid accountability . If I have no choice but I’m pre programmed then I can avoid this truth my whole life and I can remain comfortable in my sins
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
Romans 2:6-11
If I want to avoid that and reject it I need to form the idea that I’m chosen and favored and others aren’t and that’s actually how he’s gonna determine it not like Paul’s explaining and Jesus explained and Peter and John and the ot. It instead “I’m just a chosen by God praise the lord and predetermined to be saved and I never chose it . it wasn’t offered freely to all people it was just specially ordained for me and the people who agree with me I’ll never be judged on what I do and say and that won’t determine anything at all “
It’s just contrary and opposite from what’s taught some accept that others won’t they’ll want what’s there.
right ... Thayer's has broken down the word "world (Greek = cosmos)" into 8 parts and provides scripture references ... also within each of the 8 parts, there is further delineation with scripture references ...
1. an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order.
2. ornament, decoration, adornment
3. the world, i. e. the universe
4. the circle of the earth, the earth
5. the inhabitants of the world
6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
7. worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
I suppose the Calvinist would say everyone suppresses the truth in unrighteousness unless God intervenes?
Have you received that response, just curious?
it was…. “foreknown “
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
The deaf don't hear. How do you fail to comprehend this??? Oh, wait. You claim everyone hears.
You claim everyone hears when the Bible says something completely different.
The Bible says something completely different in a plethora of ways.
Most if not all of them you contradict and outright deny.
Again and again. Over and over. Repeatedly, even!
There are what roughly 2.25 billion Christians in some 30-40k differnt denominations? All with varying doctrines
Some further away than others in that doctrine. Yet there are saved members in all those denominations. How is that possible if only the elect understand doctrine and only they understand it correctly. Because believing on the lord Jesus and what he did for us is the only condition required, and believing that Jesus is lord and savior defines the term Christian. Thats how.
what I said:
God tells us over and over in His Word that the life of the believer is not all sunshine and rainbows ... the believer will experience times of reproach, temptation, testing, affliction, tribulation ... however, the believer is empowered to withstand and we have great and precious promises to lay hold of which help us remain strong in faith and overcome those times of trying ...
I was speaking of those who already believe God's Word ... those who are born again.
The believer is to stand firm on God's promises ... stand and withstand in the evil day.
The empowerment is effectual ... however, there are times a believer may be drawn away. Once we realize we have been drawn away, we are to turn our hearts back to God ... and the sooner the better ...
are you born again Rufus? Is Jesus Christ Lord in your life?
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derstand doctrine and only they understand it correctly.
“How is that possible if only the elect understand doctrine and only they understand it correctly.”
i don’t really know because that’s not at all my position. I believe whoever believes the basics of the gospel becomes the elect and then like small children they learn from Jesus believing through thier lives and grow up and produce fruits for the lords garden. As we go we have obstacles and issues ect but I believe we’re all meant to be learning not all meant to already onow everything
aim many ways we need to forget what we thought we knew and come to the lord as students ….my position on “ the elect “ is that Jesus is the elect one of God and anyone who accepts the gospel sincerely believing the actual gospel becomes the elect in him
We don’t have to know everything we just need to accept and believe what we hear and learn from it prayerfully putting it into practice from one faith to the next and one glory to another as we grow up in him
so all those different denominations probably have some chrortoans that seek the lord themselves from the heart and others who aren’t interested. I don’t believe God is going to require anyone to be part of any denomination but require everyone to believe his word.
“Because believing on the lord Jesus and what he did for us is the only condition required, and believing that Jesus is lord and savior defines the term Christian. “
Right so what does he say ?
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
simpler words the term lord means something about the person saying it . We need to believe Jesus words promising us life as well
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
In other words why do we call Jesus lord and then we don’t do what he said ? It makes the statement untrue people serve thier lords will the statement needs to be genuine
Has the gospel gone to the whole world throughout history? Who heard the gospel in America before missionaries came?
When God finished creation, He pronounced it good and very good. This is the creation God loved. And He loved it because all of it manifested His glory.
I belive it will at some point. It is part of the conditions for the end times. I think there is some island off India where the military prevent people from making contact with the indigenous peoples. That was a tangent but I was saying at some point it will be in the whole world not just some of it. It will be preached to every tounge and nation. Not just some of it.
You were so special you figured it all out on your own with no help from God, right?
In your theology, man is not such a bad guy after all because you are
so special what the Bible says about humanity does not apply to you.