Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[fredoheaven]

But hold on there ..... are you sure (tongue in cheek ) according to the reformed doctrine, a person is able to believe in anybody or anything ...........

But NEVER can they believe IN /trust IN/ Christ Jesus and the work He accomplished on a person's behalf.

That is a hard NO!!!!!

When a person hears the Gospel message about Christ Jesus, a very strange thing happens, the person goes instantly deaf and blind.

Yup, suddenly it all becomes gibberish, foolishness in fact. Instead of the Good News about Christ Jesus they hear .....

@ 55 *&%% * &1?%?** ^%%. # @ %&6^ S$%#

Don't laugh, it is a real problem!!!!

The bible explains it over and over again, people will believe all manner of things but never the Gospel, that is reserved for the pre-selected.

But no worries they have a solution to the gibberish/foolishness problem.

Voila, Poof!! .....Faith/Belief (Gnosis) is birthed in the person, yup it might be you or it might not, but one thing for sure we cannot interfere with God's fragile ego and his sovereign selection.

Praise God ... WRONG!!

Yes you are a winner my friend, i didnt laugh haha

 

[cv5]

It is you FWers who are on this huge, vast, seemingly endless "power trip superiority complex". Everyone of you FWers believe in your hearts that you can do things that God himself cannot do, such as make moral/spiritual choices contrary to his nature. You don't believe for a moment that YOU were a vile, wicked, foolish, deceitful, helpless sinner in need of any rescue efforts by God. YOU are far above all that -- far too good to need any rescuing!

"I'm rubber, you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you".

Thats all you've got? Sad.

 

[fredoheaven]

You should have continued on to v. 43 that starts with "NO ONE CAN...." Very strange language given the miraculous powers of man's "freewill"

And now, you are diverting it to coming of man and God drawing. Seems you have nothing to offer a clear evidence of 'regeneration then faith'. The bible is clear, Jesus is clear but you are not clear in this respect. John 6:51, made this even clear " if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever". This is in reference to the Future middle deponent indicative for the phrase he shall live. Meaning life given is based conditionl on faith, hence, faith is the agency to have regeneration

 

[fredoheaven]

Many of us have offered plenty. But you LOVE the DARKNESS -- so you cannot see.

Oh, this is vain jangling of yours. You have non to offer but it seem this word coming back to you.

 

[cv5]

But hold on there ..... are you sure (tongue in cheek ) according to the reformed doctrine, a person is able to believe in anybody or anything ...........

But NEVER can they believe IN /trust IN/ Christ Jesus and the work He accomplished on a person's behalf.

That is a hard NO!!!!!

When a person hears the Gospel message about Christ Jesus, a very strange thing happens, the person goes instantly deaf and blind.

Yup, suddenly it all becomes gibberish, foolishness in fact. Instead of the Good News about Christ Jesus they hear .....

@ 55 *&%% * &1?%?** ^%%. # @ %&6^ S$%#

Don't laugh, it is a real problem!!!!

The bible explains it over and over again, people will believe all manner of things but never the Gospel, that is reserved for the pre-selected.

But no worries they have a solution to the gibberish/foolishness problem.

Voila, Poof!! .....Faith/Belief (Gnosis) is birthed in the person, yup it might be you or it might not, but one thing for sure we cannot interfere with God's fragile ego and his sovereign selection.

Praise God ... WRONG!!

Yup. According to the super-determinists, it is technically impossible to be saved by the kerygma.
And compounding the matter are the dire and awful implications and permutations thereof that inevitably becomes an exercise in gutting the Bible of its most precious truths.

 

[cv5]

Oh, this is vain jangling of yours. You have non to offer but it seem this word coming back to you.

Well dear commentator, it appears that we have reached a point where the super-determinists have been so soundly defeated that they have been reduced to shrieking, flailing and issuing portents of doom and condemnations similar to this.

[Jhn 8:48 NKJV]
Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?"

Buuuutttt the good news is that the MFW-ers have prevailed mightily.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Blind people can see (understand) NOTHING. This is why fallen human beings are called Darkness. All mankind comes into this world as spiritually blind as the physically blind man from birth. But your guilt remains because you say, "*I* CAN see!!!" *I* understand spiritual truth. *I* am not helpless. *I* don't need any feakin' rescuing. Who needs to rescued from a little darkness? *I* am good to go because God's grace has given me the freedom to believe or not believe.

... whatever, Rufus ...

The blind man did not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ when Jesus anointed his eyes ... nor after he went and washed in the pool of Siloam and regained his sight. When the man stood before the pharisees, he told them Jesus was a prophet (John 9:17), a worshipper of God (John 9:31). Thereafter, he was cast out.

When Jesus heard the blind man had been cast out, He went and found him:

John 9:

35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

And the point of this section of Scripture is not that "Blind people can see (understand) NOTHING" so they cannot understand the gospel of Christ as you erroneously claim.

Jesus healing the man born blind was fulfillment of prophecy and was a sign to the Jews that He was the long awaited Messiah.

But you do not believe what is clearly written in Scripture ... you have to manipulate what is written in Scripture in your vain attempt to align Scripture to your dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error ... don't force Scripture into something never intended by the Author.
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[GWH]

Why don't you go find an admin and whine in your beer to him? Perhaps he'll take pity on you and rescue you from these "evil" believers in the Doctrines of Grace.

I wasn't whining; only stating the truth, and I already rescue myself by not participating in the ping pong,
only checking occasionally to see if a miracle has occurred.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

When a person hears the Gospel message about Christ Jesus, a very strange thing happens, the person goes instantly deaf and blind.

Yup, suddenly it all becomes gibberish, foolishness in fact. Instead of the Good News about Christ Jesus they hear .....

@ 55 *&%% * &1?%?** ^%%. # @ %&6^ S$%#

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[sawdust]

Really? I'm the one lying? Since when does any FWer believe in the efficacy of God's grace? Since when does any FWer believe that they believed by their "freewill" choice?

Always, your inability to comprehend is the problem.

 

[Genez]

God "knows who will believe" based upon his divine prerogative, not prescience.

Who taught you that?

You like to be told what to do.

 

[Kroogz]

Dad? What must I do to be saved?

Blind people can see (understand) NOTHING. This is why fallen human beings are called Darkness. All mankind comes into this world as spiritually blind as the physically blind man from birth.

Poor calvie raised kids! They don't even get a nugget of the light of the Gospel. Just straight up darkness.

 

[Genez]

A lot there to unpack and several points of discussions to be had.

The bottom line seems to be that God does save or not save based upon man's will.

Tell me, please.

How would God save based upon man's will?

 

[studier]

Tell me, please.

How would God save based upon man's will?

Tell me first please if that's what you said so I know we're talking about the same thing.

 

[Genez]

Wow. That is some kind of vitriolic rant you have got going there dear.

"unregenerated person"......."foolishness"........."hid to them"........."blinded the minds of unbelievers "........."heart is incurably wicked ".........."No good fruit"

Whew. Brutal. Just does not seem normal for a Christian to constantly be obsessed like this IMO.

Some seem to be stuck in the type of message one might hear right after some Christians are saved.....

And, stay there.
Always wanting to relive the moment.

 

[sawdust]

I will go with the analogy Jesus used, as "physical birth" likened to being "born from above" as a singular event in time.

I don't know if you have children but if labour lasted nine months, the human population would most likely have ended millennia ago.

Birth is birth, as you said. My first was forty hours long. that was more than enough time to spend giving birth.

I am assuming you're a woman by your avatar so forgive me if that is incorrect but even if you are a man, I'm sure you can understand that birth cannot last nine months.

 

[Genez]

Well, some folks believe we must cooperate with the HS to produce good fruit,
while others believe we must wait for God to make people loving and forgiving.

Some spend all their time being preoccupied with how salvation happened, while neglecting to become what salvation is designed to produce in the Spirit filled believer.

 

[Genez]

I don't know if you have children but if labour lasted nine months, the human population would most likely have ended millennia ago.

Birth is birth, as you said. My first was forty hours long. that was more than enough time to spend giving birth.

I am assuming you're a woman by your avatar so forgive me if that is incorrect but even if you are a man, I'm sure you can understand that birth cannot last nine months.

Really?

When I was born I was 89,000 feet tall!

It took 8.95 months!

 

[sawdust]

Yes, and he keeps ignoring that the world cannot receive the spirit of truth

And you keep ignoring that the Spirit is in the world convincing people of righteousness, sin and judgement. Jn.16:8 How can He do that? Because the word of God is not only spiritual but is also moral and even physical (the Word became flesh)

The natural man can know right from wrong. Even criminals know they are doing wrong and they will be judged if seen which, is why they hide their crimes.

You're thinking is so shallow which is why it dries up the moment God applies the fire.

 

[Kroogz]

Why don't you go find an admin and whine in your beer to him? Perhaps he'll take pity on you and rescue you from these "evil" believers in the Doctrines of Grace.

There is no "Doctrines of Grace" in the calvies repertoire.

Just darkness and Satans unlimited power to control mankind. The Lord Jesus Christ doesn't stand a chance to shine His light on Satans supreme power over mankind.