Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Many see election as selection. God simply chose to have a people for Himself. He decided in eternity past. He didn't look at all the nations of the earth and select one out of many. He chose a people and then created them as a people.
As far as whose they are...tares are tares and wheat is wheat.
You just described to a tee FWT, since God's ineffectual grace is at best very much a hit or miss situation. God doesn't save anyone; he only provides opportunities for "all" men.
And mankind is not merely "in darkness", man IS Darkness itself! Only God is Light. Only God is Good.
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When it is stripped bare of its "intellectual" cover and the mish mash of unrelated scripture this is exactly it^^^^
One of the definitions for the noun "elect" is "a select or exclusive group of people. And the Jews were so special in God's eyes, it is said in scripture that God did not know any other nation like Israel.
Election, whether you care to believe it or not, is a two-sided coin.
Totally backwards! Jesus sovereignly initiated a "saving relationship" with his first visit to the blind man in Jn 9, whom He chose out of a large crowd most likely. Ditto for Eve in the Garden. God sovereignly reconciled Eve unto himself -- and He didn't even ask for her permission, any more than Jesus did with the blind man.
Were you not called out of the world? No, according to your theology, apparently you were not.Aren't you so lucky!!
According to the lies you tell, everybody hears, the gospel is not hid, and God is unfair.
That is not even addressing how you misrepresent those you disagree with.
Cameron, how shady and evasive is it of you not to tell us the names of those in your inner circle? While you are setting
the record straight, please also tell us the names of all your children, your wife, plus your address and phone number.
I am also curious to know how someone who never joined is able to post. Is that even possible? No. It is not.
Since you mock God's sovereignty and his election, then you won't be too disappointed on the Last Day if things should not go for you as you think they will. Then you can boast for all eternity about how lucky or blessed you are that God never did "select" you after all.
We have heard a lot of opinions on how Scripture does not mean what it says of the natural man, though all are born after Adam, children of wrath until transformed by God according to His will and desire, His mercy, grace and love, despite all the shrieking (as if from enraged demons having a temper tantrum) we hear about God's sovereignty (if He were to act unilaterally) making Him an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their "free" will (which as you and I both know very well is not a concept espoused in the Bible at all of those who are not made alive in Christ, and even those raised to new life are called slaves). I have been considering too how in Colossians chapter 2 verse 8 it says, See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. The whole "man is born with a will that is free" false doctrine falls so completely into that classification, with people thinking that because they can choose what colour of socks to wear or whether to have fries or salad with lunch that they have a will that is free according to Scriptural definitions. Many deny that none are good and all sinners are slaves to sin. It is mind boggling what gets contradicted and denied and becomes more and more bizarre some of the things they say, like even along the lines of it being evasive not to disclose the name of your personal pastor. Just bizarre. I have said it many times but I just can't get used to how bizarre the claims of the free will crowd really are.
Were you not chosen? Hmmm. Sad if you weren't, but God is good and knows what He is doing.
No we don't, that's just the misguided lie you tell yourself to continue justifying your need to feel in control.
Yes what happened to those kids was a terrible tragedy. But floods or tornadoes dont aim for cities or towns or think to themselves im gonna kill as many people as I can. When that last horrible school shooting happened that was evil in every way. Because the thing doing it was trying to.
And you assume differently based on an argument from silence?
I "assume" God offered redemption to the angels who sinned because that is who He is.