Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Don't really want to go down the empirical road with you, but the autonomy angle I hadn't considered. It's easy to show that there is a lawgiver who has the right to determine good and evil.
There are elect angels but not elect people? And what is it that makes some of them elect?
So, Cain came into this world as an amoral being: He was neither good or evil, even though he belonged to Satan?
Is Cain another another one of your superheroes in Genesis? Maybe Abel got his brother's nose and ticked him off good and that isn't recorded in scripture. Maybe Cain is actually the victim in the story.
No unbeliever is owned by Satan.
No more than some punk kid who knows how to hot wire, owns the car he takes control of.
Satan just knows how to hot wire unbelievers.
But he does not own them!
The Lord owns even the unbeliever, to do with him as He will.
That Lord's ownership was made officially known because Jesus died for the whole world!
Not, just for those who believe!
Not, just for those who believe!
"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not
for ours only but also for the whole world."
1 John 2:2
for ours only but also for the whole world."
1 John 2:2
All souls are His!
“Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die.
Ezekiel 18:4
We need to learn to outgrow our old defenses of ego we learned growing up with.
For whoever desires to save his life will lose it,
but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."
Matthew 16:25
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but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."
Matthew 16:25
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Fair enough. I actually was just asking a question not intending to get too involved either. Empirical can be experiential, so you could have experiential before the fall and after the fall. So just wondering how you're using empirical.
Empirical may have been a poor choice of words. What I was attempting to convey was that we can have an understanding of a concept in our minds that doesn't come from actually experiencing a thing.
There is one passage where Paul says "dont you know that we will judge angels" so it can be assumed there is some kind of process going on. If they were dammed for rebellion or saved for not rebelling would there be a trial? Or is the judging process for conviction only? Interesting thoughts.
You tell your kids that nonsense? No wonder Christianity is nonsense to most.
Hey Rufus....your slip is showing.....So, Cain came into this world as an amoral being: He was neither good or evil, even though he belonged to Satan?
Is Cain another another one of your superheroes in Genesis? Maybe Abel got his brother's nose and ticked him off good and that isn't recorded in scripture. Maybe Cain is actually the victim in the story.
[Heb 5:14 KJV]
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
[2Pe 2:14 KJV]
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
In your dreams mate. Nothing you said countered anything. You simply made a claim with nothing, including reasoning, to back it up.
The appeal trial is on now. The original trial occurred before our creation (age).
That is not true, He is under obligation to Himself for He promised before time He would share His eternal life.
Titus 1:2
in the hope of eternal life that God, who never lies, promised before the ages began
He obligates Himself to keep His promise to the elect, but He is under no obligation to save or even offer salvation to everyone. Neither was He obligated to make such a promise. It was all done sovereignly.
Who said there are not elect people? I believe in Election, I disagree it is God choosing who will believe. For the angels, their election God stipulated no sin, for us He stipulates believe His word, Christ is the word.
What makes for election is meeting God's requirements.
There is no elect written in the verse. You are adding things based on your understanding, not on what the word says.
The promise is to those whose names are written in the book of life before the foundation of the world...the elect.
Any "Whosoever believes" Verse.
Dad? Yes?
How can I be saved?
God is not obligated to save anyone son. In fact, you are in darkness that can't be overcome. Don't believe those freewillers, you don't stand a chance at believing the Gospel.......God might save you, your chances are slim though.....According to the calvies.