Knowing there is knowing from experience. Did Adam know it was wrong to eat the forbidden fruit? Did he know it was right not to partake? If so, empirically he knew right from wrong...good and evil.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Disease will remain incurable as long as a cure is not produced.
The "Two lips" folks keep failing to recognize what God's power of grace is!
It is the cure!
So? The issue is not whether angels can be corrupted, it is whether they can die spiritually. Spiritual death is more than being corrupted in one's thinking. Spiritual death is the separation of the spirit from the body just as physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Take the spirit from a spirit and you have nothing left ergo, no-one can die spiritually for an angel as Christ died for us. For the three hours while our sins were taken into Christ's body on the Cross, He endured the full effects of spiritual death ie. utterly forsaken by God the Father. Christ was sustained through that time solely by the love of the Father that was in His soul and the faith and wisdom in which He had grown.
You have scripture for your claims? You claimed angels have no saviour, no plan of salvation, where's the scripture?
There are no scriptures saying they do. There is no mention of salvation for angels. No savior mentioned for angels. Only judgment.
1 Timothy 2:7 is a calling for Apostle Paul as teacher to the Gentiles not necessarily qualifying the 'all men' in verse 4. Why skip v5 that says " For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". The text did not ever say it's about 'God and Gentiles'. But rather asserting those who came under the roof of Adam and Eve and v.13 mentioning or connecting the two.. All men refers to Adam and Eve race, all mankind.What part of 1Tim 2: 7 don't you get!? You hypocritical FWers are always speaking out of both sides of your mouth! In one breath, you insist that Paul meant in the passage every single human being on the planet w/o exception; but then turn right around and conveniently ignore Paul's qualifying remarks in the verse. Paul qualified what HE meant by "all". So...unless you think that this world consists of only Gentiles (due to an antisemitic attitude, perhaps?), could you reason with your "human reasoning" that "all" means all
w/o exception. But for the rest of us who live in the real world and understand the inherent limitations behind a qualified statement, then we rightfully understand him as saying "all" w/o distinction.
Maybe you should just take your magic marker and blacken out beyond recognition v.7 in your bible.
Agree, but I think the cure has been produced first by the Word and then repetitively by some on these threads using God's Word well. It's ironic, but it just seems like a vivid illustration of the will being exercised to reject Truth.
Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence.
There have been rationales given based on scripture why they could not have a salvation plan like man.
When topics like this are discussed like what angels are made of its not covered in the Bible. So we apply our mankind logic and reasoning to it. There will be varying degrees of opinion for sure. Some could be more right than others. Either way we won't know for sure till we become one
I do wonder, not if, but why, and of what, we will be judging angels (1Cor 6:3).
To the ancients, "evil" could mean a natural disaster.
That is why some get confused when they read Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version.
I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord do all these things."
You'll find some believers who believe that God created certain men to be evil. That God created Satan evil.
They do not understand how the word translated 'evil' was used at the time of Isaiah!
A modern translation can better render the intended meaning, as with the following....
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.
grace and peace .....
There is no mention of salvation for angels in scripture. It has to be assumed.
Okay.When topics like this are discussed like what angels are made of its not covered in the Bible. So we apply our mankind logic and reasoning to it. There will be varying degrees of opinion for sure. Some could be more right than others. Either way we won't know for sure till we become one
Or, figured out how it would work.
That takes learning sound doctrine before it can be put together and understood.
The way I see it is we are judging the angels when we accept God's word as true and God's word performs as promised. It reveals the excuses the fallen angels gave for rejecting God's word (whatever those excuses were) cannot be justified and conversely, it does justify the elect angels for sticking with God.
Knowing the nature of God demands for those with the good sense to know better, that God had to give the rebelling angels a chance.
And you assume God withheld redemption just like you think He withheld redemption to certain men of His choosing.