One of the issues is: Does God have a right to do as he pleases with his own? Jesus clearly thought his Father did (Mat 20:1-16), as did Paul (Rom 9:21).
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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One of the issues is: Does God have a right to do as he pleases with his own? Jesus clearly thought his Father did (Mat 20:1-16), as did Paul (Rom 9:21).
The gospel is foolishness to the unsaved, who are blinded to the truth of it, along with the rest of the world, out
of which some of us have been called, much to the chagrin of others. What don't you understand about that?
What affect does foolishness have on people? Do they decide to believe it? That is what FWers say.
They claim man's inability is not in the Bible but it is plainly articulated. Really.
But sadly people don't want to see it. Maybe God has blinded them.
It is something I do have to consider.
The gospel is the power of God unto salvation of ONLY BELIEVERS (elect) -- not non-believers, as Cam has pointed out in the past. Read Rom 1:16 a few hundred times and then memorize it. Maybe it will stick some day. The text does not say what you think, i.e. that the gospel is the power of God to anyone who hears it.
2 Cor 6:2~~
For he says, “In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.
Only if it remains consistent with His character. He cannot deny Himself therefore He cannot cause people to not believe.
Does one believe the Gospel before or after getting saved?
Your Answer: After being saved.
The Gospel has no power and is of no consequence to an unbeliever UNTIL they are saved. It is pointless and vanity to hear the Gospel until God "elects" us.....According to the calvies.
It's just a canned tactic meant to discredit. A basic straw man fallacy and very poor argumentation. They have no real arguments and can be seen repetitively walking away or diverting when Scripture is analyzed.
Why is that? Because sinners are worthy of God's grace? You, evidently, think that God's gift of grace is at the beck and call and under the control of sinners, do you? But if they are worthy (deserving), then salvation cannot be by grace due to its very definition.
Exactly! God has no character according to the calvies, Just ONE attribute..............Sovereignty.
One believes the gospel AFTER one has been resurrected from the dead at which time they receive eyes to see and ears to hear and a heart that understands.
And if the gospel has zero power to an unbeliever until after they are saved, then what power brought them to that choice?
God can only be unjust if He broke some promise to an unbeliever or He gave to an unbeliever or believer what they did not deserve. This is the only two criteria. Period. Apparently you did not read my 3629 or 3739?
I have pointed out that the gospel is the power of God for salvation to those who believe quite a few times also
because one of our free will pushers likes to quote only part of the passage despite being corrected multiple times.
Of course she was leaving off the part that identified the gospel as the power of God for those who believe.
You ignored and worse when I took you through the Hebrew and Greek wording of Jer13:23 before. Use the web site(s) you go to once in a while and do some work on the word the linked lookup here shows the ESV translating as "accustomed".
No and we have never said anything like that. If you don't know that by now after all the posts that have been delivered, as far as I am concerned, it can only mean you have not been listening.
To the calvies? The only option is Gods Sovereignty.
They completely leave out His Love, Justice, Righteousness,mercy and..........GRACE. Yes, His Grace. I don't expect you or any of your "followers" to understand that though.
Don't you believe God intervenes so man can make a choice? None of the people you are siding with believe that. They believe the gospel is audibly heard and man makes a choice. No intervention from God.