Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Genez]

I know in your heart that you believe deep down into its core that all mankind deserves God's grace because somehow or another God owes mankind his favor but that belief conflicts severely with the definition of "grace".

All mankind at some point gets (not deserves) God's grace.

It is given to evil people to leave them to be without excuse when He sends them to the Lake of Fire.

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[Magenta]

John 3 verse 3, John 1 verse 13, James 1 verse 18, Romans 8 verse 9b, 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” Born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. You are chosen to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. My soul will exult in my God, for He has clothed me with garments of salvation, and wrapped me in a robe of righteousness. Plus Isaiah 61 verse 10

 

[posthuman]

If you read CV5 carefully, he made a huge point of Adam not being deceived, and equated that with him being a "type of Christ".

actually Romans 5 specifically calls Adam a figure of Christ.

Romans 5:14​

Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.​

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the discussion about what transpired in Genesis 3 rests in understanding Adam's actions and motivations in terms of the typology of the Messiah that the scripture says he is.

 

[posthuman]

And, yes, Adam "prefigures" the Last Adam because he is a type of Christ by contrasts. So, yes, Adam was everything that Jesus Christ was not, is not and will never be!

the Bible doesn't call him a type of antichrist.

only you do that.

the Bible calls him a type of Christ.

 

[posthuman]

Don't you know that hell is filled with tremendously intelligent people who were also chock full of worldly wisdom and ungodly faith?

could you define "ungodly faith" for us?

seems to be a personal term

 

[Doll]

God cannot love what is evil; for His love is moral in nature. And God cannot do anything contrary to his immutably holy, righteous and good nature.

Secondly, there are numerous explicit biblical texts that qualify God's love.

Thirdly, God's love is conditional in nature. Again, clear, explicit texts teach this.

Fourthly, there are several explicit passages that teach that God hates, loathes, despises, etc. sinners.

Does God hear the prayers of Sinners?

 

[posthuman]

you should ponder the idea that the flip side to God's love is his WRATH!

and you believe God Himself shedding innocent blood on your behalf, in order to hand-weave a covering for you, is an example of His wrath against you, not His mercy towards you?

interesting.

 

[Magenta]

and you believe God Himself shedding innocent blood on your behalf, in order to hand-weave
a covering for you, is an example of His wrath against you, not His mercy towards you?

interesting.

Rufus has always maintained that he is saved as a result of God's love.

Why are you in here misrepresenting what people say and believe?

 

[posthuman]

I have written in the past about the various ways Adam was a type of Satan!

so you've been proudly contradicting scripture for a while now, huh?

 

[posthuman]

Rufus has always maintained that he is saved as a result of God's love.

if God taking off my filthy rags and putting a robe of His own handiwork on me isn't an expression of love, i am not sure what is.

Ezekiel 16:8​

"When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness.​

Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine," ​

says the Lord GOD.​

 

[Magenta]

Also, if Adam was the spiritual genius and giant and superhero of the human race why would he have chosen to enter into Eve's sin when he clearly had two other sinless options open to him? Option One: Why didn't he prevent Eve from eating the fruit? Why didn't he protect his wife whom he supposedly loved so much? Why didn't he step in between the Serpent and Eve and make every effort to protect his wife by convincing her to forego eating? After all, one of the attributes of love is protection (1Cor 13:7).

It has been said that Adam was not there with her and yet she ate and gave to Adam to eat also. The text says he was with her, it is claimed it does not mean physically with her but with her in eating lol, my goodness, how could she give it to him if he was not there? In order to get around this, there has been claimed a time lapse occurred and there was conversation which proves said time lapse, none of which is in the text... the text which when upheld as truth gets mocked. The lie Satan told is then presented as if God lied... it is so messy dealing with these people who refuse to accept what Scripture says, adding to it and taking away from it and spinning yarns they then confuse for the truth of the matter to the point they no longer recognize what the Bible actually says.

 

[Magenta]

if God taking off my filthy rags and putting a robe of His own handiwork on me isn't an expression of love, i am not sure what is.

Ezekiel 16:8
"When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness.
Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine,"
says the Lord GOD.

Yes. I am sure Rufus feels thinks and believes the same despite what you said earlier, just minutes ago in 18,307.

However you will find that FWers claim God does not act unilaterally in matters of salvation, and they
constantly conflate enabling with being forced, hate on verses about God's sovereignty, and generally
despise anything that seems to contradict their unBiblical stance on man's will being free. They insist
man's incurably wicked heart brings forth fruit unto life even though the Bible says the opposite.

That is why your dear buddy rewrote what Jesus said. FWers rewrite and butcher other verses as well.

 

[Magenta]

Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)

 

[Magenta]

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death. Now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the outcome is eternal life. 2 Corinthians 3 verse 17; Galatians 5 verse 1; Romans 8 verse 2; from Romans 6 verse 22

 

[cv5]

so you've been proudly contradicting scripture for a while now, huh?

All aboard the @Rufus crazy train.....

 

[cv5]

If you read CV5 carefully, he made a huge point of Adam not being deceived, and equated that with him being a "type of Christ". Well...you had better consider the source of this buffoonery very carefully. Since Adam was not deceived by the Serpent and this make him a "type of Christ", then going by that "logic" (if I dare glorify his rationale with that term) Satan, too, must be a type of Christ because the devil before he sinned wasn't deceived either from without. So, now we have at least two created "superheros" in the universe.

Actually @Rufus buddy, you forgot about "successful resisted". Yep.

"not deceived" by Satan
"successful resisted" Satan

And a number of other wonderful attributes as well.

Thanks @Rufus buddy for your attention to this matter.

 

[Genez]

You being the initiator with your hateful false accusations which you refuse to repent of, just heaping more lies on your lies.

Shameful.

So, what do you say?
Should we take him outside and stone him?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

reneweddaybyday said:
Scripture tells us that righteousness is imputed.

you have stated that faith is imputed ... I am asking for a verse which indicates faith is imputed.

no I haven't said these things and I can't be bothered to argue with you, if I have stated that then it wasn't meant,

okay.

a discussion about being clothed in righteousness had been discussed, I asked the question was he clothed in faith to was it imputed to, as the discussion was like a bit mad to be honest

I then asked if he was mputed with faith to, it's called wondering what in world people are talking about.

right ... you are not the first person who has stated "God imputes faith" (or words to that effect) ... and when I ask for Scripture which indicates that ... no answer. So I'm scratching my head over that statement too.

It's like you to, who can't even acknowledge that God can go against the will of his people.

I believe I answered the question concerning the healing of the man on the sabbath.

God's Will was to heal the man ... the man's will was to be healed.

And in reading the record in Mark 3, the Lord Jesus Christ was grieved at the hardness of heart in the people who did not want Jesus to heal on the sabbath.

Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

I believe Jesus was correcting error that had crept in concerning the sabbath. The pharisees, sadducees, chief priests had so corrupted the intent of the sabbath that they would not lift a finger to help someone in dire need.

Like He said in the record in Matthew "What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?" when they asked Him "Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days?"

And please note, they were not interested in the man with the withered hand when they asked. the record indicates they asked "that they might accuse him". That's why He was angry with them and it grieved His heart that they were so hardhearted toward a member of their own congregation who needed healing.
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[reneweddaybyday]

so yep just like every other time you fail to answer a question, like you've done here,

I have answered your questions.

it's been brought to my attention your a man is that right ?

nope ... who brought that to your attention?

As your profile says your a women ?

Would just like to know as I've been treating you with respect

my profile is accurate ... and you should treat all with respect whether male or female ... just sayin'

So anyway here's the verse anyway

God chose Abraham

The Call of Abram
12 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

yes ... God called Abraham to leave his family in Ur of the Chaldees. And Abraham left with Lot, his nephew. So Abraham did not leave his "people".

The record does not state that faith was imputed to Abraham.

It is not until Gen 15:6 that God indicates righteousness (not faith) was imputed to Abraham ... and the verse states that God imputed righteousness to Abraham when Abraham believed.
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[reneweddaybyday]

It has been said that Adam was not there with her and yet she ate and gave to Adam to eat also. The text says he was with her, it is claimed it does not mean physically with her but with her in eating lol, my goodness, how could she give it to him if he was not there?

What has been stated is that Adam was not with Eve when satan beguiled her ... and clearly Adam was with Eve when she gave him the fruit to eat.

don't know why this has to be explained ... but apparently that is the case. kinda like you're continuous assertion that "FWers claim the gospel is not hid" when what has been stated is that the gospel is not hid by God ...
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