Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

Well the very root of the problem is they do not accept what is said of the natural man... And they continually ascribe to him qualities characteristics and abilities that are really only possessed by the spiritual man. Some have argued about this for quite some time and then admitted they don't even know what I mean when I talk about the natural man or the spiritual man. One other tried to dismiss what is said of the natural man because as they said, he's only mentioned once in Scripture, but that's actually just another one of their lies, because first comes the natural and then comes the spiritual and this is central to the Christian belief. You must be born again... You may have also noticed how they thoroughly reject 1 Corinthians 2:14 because they don't like what it says. They rewrite it to suit how they have been programmed to think.

Yep I will keep on some people not realising how important it is to have empathy for the least important things.

But I haven't forgot a thing one very important thing, that is how you gained my trust

Well the very root of the problem is they do not accept what is said of the natural man... And they continually ascribe to him qualities characteristics and abilities that are really only possessed by the spiritual man. Some have argued about this for quite some time and then admitted they don't even know what I mean when I talk about the natural man or the spiritual man. One other tried to dismiss what is said of the natural man because as they said, he's only mentioned once in Scripture, but that's actually just another one of their lies, because first comes the natural and then comes the spiritual and this is central to the Christian belief. You must be born again... You may have also noticed how they thoroughly reject 1 Corinthians 2:14 because they don't like what it says. They rewrite it to suit how they have been programmed to think.

understood, the least important things are often not thought of as being to important to some people,

This is where we have to find out exactly what is important to people.

But just because the natural man is only mentioned once in the bible, it's actually mentioned thousands of times. A mature person would understand that I think, so the reality your dealing with people who like to argue.

It's enough to give you head ache all this. One I can do with out.

I will never forget how you comforted me when I was grieving and you gained my trust that day, and I will always remember that,

 

[Rufus]

Yet, man should glory in His grace.....

You "guys"(guise) are hiding in a feigned process of self flagellation in what you claim for yourselves.

Yet?

You will openly glory amongst yourselves when putting down others that you erroneously label "free willers."

That means what?
You glory within yourselves!

Hypocrites!

That's not possible since all God's elect are humble people to whom the precious and promised New Covenant gift of the Fear of the Lord has sovereignly been put in their hearts by the Lord. There's a reason why God does not give his grace to the wicked of this world:

Isa 26:10
10 Though grace is shown to the wicked,
they do not learn righteousness;
even in a land of uprightness they go on doing evil
and regard not the majesty of the LORD.
NIV

Part "b" of this verse is especially informative. What the prophet is saying is that even the Israelites, who were the most privileged people all the nations upon this earth due to their covenant relationship with the Lord and knowledge of His Law, did not learn righteousness after receiving an overflowing abundance of grace starting in Egypt, then through their 40 years of Wilderness experience, then through their occupation in the Promised Land "of uprightness", and finally through their exiles and subsequent restoration to the Land.

It is literally impossible for anyone who has the above mentioned gift to glory in themselves since those saints have a very keen sense of how much they are totally UNLIKE their Lord and Savior. Jesus is everything the saints are not by nature!

 

[Jordon]

Somebody's mind is exploding that's for sure......

Well peoples minds exploding is something you may care for from time to time, but I wonder if you realise that must be cared for all of the time.

 

[Jordon]

Actually, the root of the problem is that the term "natural man" is used once in all of the Bible.
Then comes the tinker-toy kindergarten level eisegesis predicated upon this one verse standing alone.
Then comes the bogus all consuming doctrine birthed from the error.

Then comes the misanthropic worldview, endless shrieking condemnations and irremediable portents of doom toward every Tom Dick and Harry in all of creation.

Did I get that right?

Do you think it's not important to to mention it because of that ?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

So you believe I labeled some. It's your opinion of my post, even though I never applied a label and was speaking concerning behavior.

this is nothing but rationalization and an attempt to excuse your behavior ... whatever ... it has taken place ... you know it and I know it ... all who have posted in this thread know it.

I could explain my use of emoji and why I choose particular ones in different situations, but I'm having trouble getting you to understand basic arguments I am making already.

now you're projecting blame onto the one who pointed out your unChristlike behavior ...

Now, where do you find self flagellation and glorying in myself?

I focussed on the part you left out ... however, if I cut from a full post, I'm told to quote the whole post ... if I quote the whole post, I'm told I have to respond to the whole post ... you require stuff then complain when the "stuff" is done, but now it's not to your liking ... go figure.
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[HeIsHere]

this is nothing but rationalization and an attempt to excuse your behavior ... whatever ... it has taken place ... you know it and I know it ... all who have posted in this thread know it.





now you're projecting blame onto the one who pointed out your unChristlike behavior ...





I focussed on the part you left out ... however, if I cut from a full post, I'm told to quote the whole post ... if I quote the whole post, I'm told I have to respond to the whole post ... you require stuff then complain when the "stuff" is done, but now it's not to your liking ... go figure.
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Once again, it is a form of gaslighting.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

This record occurs after the record wherein Abraham believed God and God imputed righteousness to Abraham (Genesis 15).

Oh...you mean just like the record of Pharaoh hardening his own heart occurred well after God's prophecy re the king in Ex 3 and how He would fulfill that by hardening Pharaoh's heart (Ex 4)?

please provide the Scripture which reveals God gave Abraham faith before Abraham believed.

Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Thank you.
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[Rufus]

As do many Calvinists on this thread.

BTW....did you have a change of heart in this regard?
Or are you drifting with the current?

And I suppose you FWers think you had a "change of heart" in spite of your slanderous, insulting and blasphemous accusations against the detractors of your false gospel?

 

[Jordon]

Once again, it is a form of gaslighting.

actually no, The crys of the lord have echoed out amongst his children since the day he was crucified.

 

[HeIsHere]

actually no, The crys of the lord have echoed out amongst his children since the day he was crucified.

Christ Jesus did not teach He only died for some.

 

[Rufus]

please provide the Scripture which reveals God gave Abraham faith before Abraham believed.

Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Thank you.
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Why should I? When did I ever say what I bolded in red?

And why did you ignore the earlier question I asked about Pharaoh? Don't you agree that Pharaoh hardened his own heart AFTER God's prophecy and after God told Moses how He would fulfill that prophecy?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Once again, it is a form of gaslighting.

not just a form ...


Romans 15:5-7 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
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[HeIsHere]

not just a form ...


Romans 15:5-7 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
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Yes, good point.

 

[Rufus]

Christ Jesus did not teach He only died for some.

Neither did He teach that he died for each man, woman and child on this planet w/o exception. Christ died only for his covenant people. God never made a redemptive covenant with the entire world. The New Covenant was made only with God's chosen people.

 

[Jordon]

Christ Jesus did not teach He only died for some.

That would be personal to you, doesn't mean you have to make it personal to him.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Why should I?

why shouldn't you?

please provide the Scripture which reveals God gave Abraham faith before Abraham believed.

Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

When did I ever say what I bolded in red?

what you said was "Pharaoh hardening his own heart occurred well after God's prophecy"

so I asked you to provide the Scripture which indicates God gave Abraham faith before Abraham believed.

And why did you ignore the earlier question I asked about Pharaoh? Don't you agree that Pharaoh hardened his own heart AFTER God's prophecy and after God told Moses how He would fulfill that prophecy?

I didn't ignore it ... I asked you to provide the verse which indicates God gave Abraham faith before Abraham believed.
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[HeIsHere]

That would be personal to you, doesn't mean you have to make it personal to him.

That is objective truth explained in scripture quite clearly.

 

[Cameron143]

this is nothing but rationalization and an attempt to excuse your behavior ... whatever ... it has taken place ... you know it and I know it ... all who have posted in this thread know it.





now you're projecting blame onto the one who pointed out your unChristlike behavior ...





I focussed on the part you left out ... however, if I cut from a full post, I'm told to quote the whole post ... if I quote the whole post, I'm told I have to respond to the whole post ... you require stuff then complain when the "stuff" is done, but now it's not to your liking ... go figure.
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Responding to the whole post doesn't preclude you from saying you are only responding to part. And I am happy to apologize to anyone who took offense to what I posted. My heartfelt apologies to you if you are included in the number. Anyone else just let me know.

 

[Jordon]

That is objective truth explained in scripture quite clearly.

why do you feel that

That is objective truth explained in scripture quite clearly.

do you realise being influenced by personal feelings can cause all sorts of accusations

 

[HeIsHere]

why do you feel that
do you realise being influenced by personal feelings can cause all sorts of accusations

Well now I remembered why I do not respond to you.