Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

I liked your monkey! In fact, I like it better than your current image. No explanation needed.
However, Magenta owes you no explanation either.
Perhaps she likes the color! Or, perhaps she enjoys the thought of a unicorn!

My only suggestion for you is:

1. Close your eyes and make a fist with your right hand.
2. Beat you chest and repeat after me.
“God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as Magenta who is probably a witch.”

He's had one to many bananas to take notice

 

[Just_A__Follower]

insinuation getting common with you now. It's a debate, where if you don't know how to debate then you have no argument .


That would be God


by the sounds of it your still behaving like one.

Just more circular reasoning from you.

The courts of law in Christian nations uphold Justice by God, it’s why we have societies that enjoy a lot more freedom that other nations.

you’re funny. At first I thought you were very annoying but I think you’re growing on me.

There’s a difference between a civil debate and an argument. And your comments in most of your posts definitely appear more argumentative.

No I wrote it right “god” maybe 20% believe in God. The other 80% believe in a god.

Can you prove that I’m acting like one or do you just have faith that I’m acting like one?

So the U.S. upholds justice by God? Is that why abortion is legal. Is that why they legalized assisted suicide in Canada? News flash there are no Christian nations in the world. Maybe Poland would come close.

Love ya Jordon

 

[HeIsHere]

And, I would have explained it to you perfectly, because I know why I chose it.
The one who has been exposed has no good answer for the choice made.
And, I have witnessed to how the occult types send off signals that are not supposed to be detected by naive Christians
when they have embedded themselves amongst them.

So? My George Burns, monkey?
Why I chose it?

What we are right now compared to what we shall be in a resurrection body?
It is like a monkey with a supernaturally endowed intelligence (by the filling of the Spirit) with which enables us to think in terms of the jungle/world we are now live in. And, also in terms of the place we are destined to be at home in forever.

Not about evolution .....
If you had any common sense. Reading enough of my posts, clearly would reveal that it would be the last thing I would want to prove.
But you got to find something now, because one of your own tribe has been exposed....

False doctrine creates tribal thinking.

Yes agree, spot on as they say, I also find the "defense team" interesting.

I would say that if I had the unicorn avatar, the troubling tattoo, or had called someone a pervert, stated they had a creepy smile the tribe would not be defending it.
They should really think on that.
Woe is me, behind the scenes.

 

[HeIsHere]

Bias exactly the problem. Everyone has their own reality. To prove something to someone or win a debate, you must first get them to doubt their own reality. Trying to establish a new reality on top of the existing won’t work since two truths can’t exist together. First you must cause doubt in their current reality. Once the current reality is broken a new one can be established. Their faith in the new reality can now begin to grow are long as it’s not taken away by the old as in the parable of the sower. The current crop has to be removed and the ground tilled before the new crop can be planted.

And Mere Christianity is definitely a book that I would recommend for all that are doubting their current reality.

Yes I would agree, sometimes people do realize on their own as well, humans are complex, I hope you are not of the Calvinist school of thought with their cherry picked verses which make all humanity one big flat Stanley, two dimensional, if that.

 

[Genez]

I liked your monkey! In fact, I like it better than your current image. No explanation needed.
However, Magenta owes you no explanation either.
Perhaps she likes the color! Or, perhaps she enjoys the thought of a unicorn!

My only suggestion for you is:

1. Close your eyes and make a fist with your right hand.
2. Beat you chest and repeat after me.
“God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as Magenta who is probably a witch.”

Perhaps? Perhaps?

There is always the "perhaps" clause....
You keep trying "human good" solutions to cover over an appearance of evil.

1 Thessalonians 5:22

Abstain from all appearance of evil.​

Honor God's Word, perhaps?

Abstain from all appearance of evil.

To do so?
Deny self, and take up your cross.
Stop making excuses as the means to deny God's Word.

Her image wreaked with an occult vibe.
I stayed low and wondered, and did not say anything right away.
But she kept pushing false doctrine while smugly and arrogantly wishing to crush those whom she labelled "free willers."
Even though, we have a different concept of a free will.
One from understanding how God frees the will by grace!
Did not matter. Her bigotry amounted to conceit that demanded satisfaction.
That is when the tribe began to bond around her.

But...It did not matter to her.
She sounded like a closed-minded bigot, the kind that hates anyone with a certain skin color.
That is when I seriously began to wonder what her agenda was for.
For closed-minded bigotry is antichrist.

Yet, you?
You are now Mr. Humanly Nice-Nice. Not the Spirit's thinking.
Totally discarding what you are failing to see the importance of.
Allowing for (even protecting) a leaven to remain in the lump.

Galatians 5:9 states, "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough," which means that even a small amount of false teaching can influence and corrupt an entire community. This verse emphasizes the importance of maintaining doctrinal purity and being vigilant against misleading ideas.



grace and peace .............

 

[Genez]

I can see why humans have been at war with each other for thousands of years. One side trying to force the other side to believe in the same way. Don’t forget that your truth is only true because you have faith in it. It’s as true to you as Allah is to a Muslim or Waheguru is to a Sikh. Y’all have fun.

Someday you may find the Holy Spirit becoming your close friend.
He guides us into all Truth.

Human preference never establishes truth.
Human preference only establishes substitutes for truth when truth is not being found.

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[cv5]

That’s exactly what a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Confucianist, Sikh, Jew, or I’m sure an ancient Egyptian would say. Like I said we have faith that it is true just as they all have faith that their beliefs are true. All of humanity walks by faith no matter their beliefs. If you can prove Jesus is God then I would maybe try to put that information out there because you’d be the only one that has been able to do so in almost 2000 years. Christianity could be way over the maybe 20% of world population it’s at now.

What? Anybody can prove that the God of the Bible is the true God by scrutinizing His written word itself.
There are Divine watermarks everywhere, the whole compendium is chock full of them. A unique inherently self-proving phenomenon that has no equal or peer.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/4719420201655/

The entire past and future history of Israel, Genesis 3 seed plot, manifold types of the Deliverer, end time eschatology.
All of this so noted in Judges 13-16 embedded into the saga of Samson?

Impossible you say? No, but rather inevitable.

 

[Blue155]

Anybody can prove that the God of the Bible is the true God by scrutinizing His written word itself.
There are Divine watermarks everywhere, the whole compendium is chock full of them. A unique inherently self-proving phenomenon that has no equal or peer.

Exactly. One of the best evidences for God. His very word.

 

[cv5]

Bias exactly the problem. Everyone has their own reality. To prove something to someone or win a debate, you must first get them to doubt their own reality. Trying to establish a new reality on top of the existing won’t work since two truths can’t exist together. First you must cause doubt in their current reality. Once the current reality is broken a new one can be established. Their faith in the new reality can now begin to grow are long as it’s not taken away by the old as in the parable of the sower. The current crop has to be removed and the ground tilled before the new crop can be planted.

And Mere Christianity is definitely a book that I would recommend for all that are doubting their current reality.

Well, I see vast incorrigible Biblical illiteracy being the problem.
The terms:
-elect/elected
-predestined/predestinated
-spiritually dead

are the worst offenders as far as the Calvinists are concerned.
Careful, legit exegesis of the Greek terms in context (and yes you also need to use the Classical Greek to obtain the intended meanings) using helps like BDAG, Thayer's, or Louw-Nida have been provided.

But they have been rejected.
And sound doctrine has been replaced with infantile repetitive "ritualistic recitation" of Reformed mantras.

Heb 5:12
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

 

[cv5]

I can see why humans have been at war with each other for thousands of years. One side trying to force the other side to believe in the same way. Don’t forget that your truth is only true because you have faith in it. It’s as true to you as Allah is to a Muslim or Waheguru is to a Sikh. Y’all have fun.

Since when did God inflict 10 plagues to deliver a people, part a sea, and provide a pillar of cloud and fire and manna for 40 years to a Sikh, Muslim or anybody else? And BTW, the Biblical account is the best preserved (and by far the most ancient) writings of all time nothing else compares.

Nope. Nobody else. And is just so happens that God's people Israel are back in land buddy. What are the odds huh?
Ezekiel 37 has arrived, Ezekiel 38 IMMINENT. Be prepared.

Eze 37:11
Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’

Eze 37:12
“Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Eze 38:8
“After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely.

Eze 38:14
“Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it?

Eze 38:16
“You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.”

http://watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

 

[Jordon]

you’re funny. At first I thought you were very annoying but I think you’re growing on me.

There’s a difference between a civil debate and an argument. And your comments in most of your posts definitely appear more argumentative.

No I wrote it right “god” maybe 20% believe in God. The other 80% believe in a god.

Can you prove that I’m acting like one or do you just have faith that I’m acting like one?

So the U.S. upholds justice by God? Is that why abortion is legal. Is that why they legalized assisted suicide in Canada? News flash there are no Christian nations in the world. Maybe Poland would come close.

Love ya Jordon

Funny is you, somehow you don't realise this is a debate, and your seeing me as argumentive in a debate where people can't find agreement, so much for your idea of not arguing, when you argue irrationally.

 

[Rufus]

Was not Christ slain before the foundation of the world?????????

Yet, He still had to make his decision while here on earth in time!!!!!

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”


Luke 22:42
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Proving once again that God's perfect, holy will is ALWAYS DONE! How often have I stated that what God has decreed in eternity will come to past in time and space because man's will (lost and elect alike) and Jesus' are always in sync with God's.

 

[Rufus]

Since when did God inflict 10 plagues to deliver a people, part a sea, and provide a pillar of cloud and fire and manna for 40 years to a Sikh, Muslim or anybody else? And BTW, the Biblical account is the best preserved (and by far the most ancient) writings of all time nothing else compares.

Nope. Nobody else. And is just so happens that God's people Israel are back in land buddy. What are the odds huh?
Ezekiel 37 has arrived, Ezekiel 38 IMMINENT. Be prepared.

Eze 37:11
Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’

Eze 37:12
“Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Eze 38:8
“After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely.

Eze 38:14
“Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it?

Eze 38:16
“You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.”

http://watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

You forgot to mention that if it weren't for the ancient Hebrews exercising their "freewill", God would never have been able to get them out of Egypt. Praise MAN ALMIGHTY for his powerful "freewill"!

 

[Rufus]

Look @Rufus
The Greek term proorizō is derived from the from horizō

G3724 - horizō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

Act 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate G3724 counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

.........from which we get our word "HORIZON".

Every instance this term is used, it has to do with the protocol plan of God in time pertaining to the FUTURE of those who choose to believe Him.

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You are Beza flunky. Too bad so sad.

God's plans for all humanity were formulated in eternity and implemented in time. Learn what Act 2:23 is actually saying. God's "determinate" counsel logically precedes his foreknowledge. Why? Because God's omniscience is predicated upon his eternal decrees.

 

[Rufus]

well ... if they are sitting in church pews and are not born again, either the gospel is not being preached in the pulpit, or they are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness when the gospel is preached in the pulpit.

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Plus they were never destined to believe the Gospel in the first place. Only those who have been given to Christ in eternity will ever believe the gospel. And God did not give the entire ungodly world to the Son.

 

[Jordon]

So the U.S. upholds justice by God? Is that why abortion is legal. Is that why they legalized assisted suicide in Canada? News flash there are no Christian nations in the world. Maybe Poland would come close.

Love ya Jordon

well this is just more evidence that human free gets it's own way in some cases, but the law has to protect people's rights, so if a vote takes place to rule a new law, the courts have no choice but to allow it through there's courts, where as churches can abstain, judges and solicitors have no choice.


But again you find reason to make faith look bad, which is becoming a habit with you now.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Yes I would agree, sometimes people do realize on their own as well, humans are complex, I hope you are not of the Calvinist school of thought with their cherry picked verses which make all humanity one big flat Stanley, two dimensional, if that.

Not a Calvinist or really part of any group. As for this thread I believe we have free will or free choice or whatever whoever wants to call it. But as I’ve said previously it doesn’t matter cause it is what it is. Either we have it or we don’t. Someone believing the opposite of me doesn’t change reality.

 

[cv5]

God's plans for all humanity were formulated in eternity and implemented in time. Learn what Act 2:23 is actually saying. God's "determinate" counsel logically precedes his foreknowledge. Why? Because God's omniscience is predicated upon his eternal decrees.

Careful, legit exegesis of the Greek terms in context (and yes you also need to use the Classical Greek to obtain the intended meanings) using helps like BDAG, Thayer's, or Louw-Nida have been provided.

But they have been rejected.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

well this is just more evidence that human free gets it's own way in some cases, but the law has to protect people's rights, so if a vote takes place to rule a new law, the courts have no choice but to allow it through there's courts, where as churches can abstain, judges and solicitors have no choice.


But again you find reason to make faith look bad, which is becoming a habit with you now.

How have I made faith look bad?

 

[Jordon]

How have I made faith look bad?

Well you keep using circular reasoning to prove a point, and making stuff up about how things of a spiritual matter can't be proved, plus you choose to see a genuine important debate concerning faith as argumentive, all this points towards making stuff look meaningless.