Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Genez]

I can't help you, you have been misled.

Just like Jordon thinks we have been misled?

His women pastors would agree with you.

Sorry to have to do this.
But it has come to a head.
Apostates in cyberspace have an advantage because no one can be seen and heard as they actually are.

Good day!

 

[brightfame52]

TULIP is a monstrosity.

Tulip truth is fundamental to the Gospel of God's Grace! So that is your sentiment towards the Gospel of God's Grace.

 

[cv5]

My Pastor was a real retired Colonel. And had been a prizefighter in the ring.
He retired from the military to study for the ministry.

No woman should be teaching the Word of God with authority over men. That is in the Bible.

And... I thought this was going well for a change.

Oh well...

Thieme is a living history book when it comes to battles and wars. Hearing him recount famous battles of history is fascinating.

 

[HeIsHere]

Nonsense. Complete rubbish. The reformed theory is a GIANT dumpster fire.

I really think they just want to protect their special status at all costs... so much arrogance in this sect.

 

[GWH]

OK... you do not have a real pastor.

That is crazy.
No longer can I consider your opinion as Biblically valid.
You have been not trained to think with the Spirit, but your emotions.
It also explains why Muslims keep getting bolder and aggressive in England, as they have been as of late.
They are coming in for the kill because there is no salt being produced in your churches.

Church is not a social game as you are playing it to be.
Now I know why I have been having a problem of making sense of your attitude.

There is honesty, sir.
From a Biblical perspective...

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach ​

or to assume authority over a man ; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. ​

And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a ​

sinner. 1 timothy 2:11-14​

Note: This is the strong negative 'ouk' which means 'absolutely not' compared with the qualified negation 'me' as seen in verse 9 above. 'A Woman' emphasizes the high quality of the woman following this command.}

{Note: 'Didasko' means to teach with authority to a public assembly. In this context, it means a woman is not to teach doctrine from the pulpit in church.}

Note: Rejecting this command is a strong historical trend that always leads to decline and forming of organizations filled with apostasy.

That explains it all.

Good Day.... Jordon.

The issue of gender roles is one that needs careful consideration, because both A&E sinned together per Gen 3:6-7,
there is no difference between male and female per Gal. 3:28, and believers should submit to one another or operate
by consensus rather than dictatorship per Eph. 5:21 (cf. Rom. 14:9, 1Cor. 14:33, 2Cor. 13:11, 1Thes. 5:13, etc.) E was A's partner,
not his slave per Gen. 2:22).

The biological differences between males and females logically differentiate the roles of fathers and mothers at least through the end of breast feeding children. I believe the Bible permits any roles not dictated by anatomical differences to be performed by either gender. Genesis 1:27 states that males and females are equally in God’s image, and Paul taught (in GL 3:28) that cultural, economic and sexual discrimination are wrong. Thus, men and women (as well as all ethnicities) should have equal political rights and job opportunities.

Regarding the role of women as church leaders, the biblical “one flesh” definition of marriage implies that the wife of a pastor would ipso facto be a pastoress and the wives of deacons would be deaconesses, because it seems likely that God would want husband and wife to share the same ministry, as in the case of Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:26). Paul’s description of the husband as the “head” of his wife (1Cor. 11:3) does not negate such joint ministry. The ministry of Deborah in the OT (Judges 4:4) also sets a precedent.

Because both Jesus and Paul recommended celibacy for those who have the ministerial gift, presumably unmarried Christian women may also be ministers. Note that Christ’s concept of leadership is servanthood rather than dictatorial authority (Matt. 20:26, cf. 1Pet. 5:1-3). Thus, Paul’s statements about women being silent in church and not having authority over men (in 1Cor. 14:34 & 1Tim. 2:12) should be read in conjunction with his statements regarding equality and mutual submission (Gal. 3:28 & Eph. 5:21, cf. 1Pet. 3:7) so the role differences can be understood in a way that neither prohibits ministry by women nor promotes the superiority of men.

My guess is that Paul did not want freedom in Christ to offend the paternal pagan culture (Tit. 2:5&8) and thereby inhibit the gospel (1Cor. 9:12 & 19-23, 10:23-33, 11:1-16). Note his concern that church leaders have a good reputation with outsiders, which would also apply to regular Christians, though perhaps to a lesser extent. 1Cor. 14:34-35 indicates that there was some law or cultural mores against women speaking authoritatively, which deemed such behavior to be “disgraceful” (cf. 1Tim. 2:11-12).

 

[HeIsHere]

TULIP is a monstrosity.
You do not take the Word of God seriously.

Those who choose to defend false doctrine only take themselves seriously, and are out to prove themselves ultimately by how well they can fend off correction. For, when they can? It proves to themselves how smart they are.

The more they defend these "doctrines of grace" so called.......... the more we see it describes a god of sovereign limitations.

 

[Kroogz]

I can't help you, you have been misled.

Scripture can help you. Paul has the very Gospel of Christ in mind.......and then quotes Ps 19.

Every aspect of His creation reveals Christ..............He made it. Creation is redemption.

Rom 10
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Ps 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. 3 They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. 4 Yet their voice[1] goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

Scripture always brings a fire extinguisher to the dumpster fire that is reformed/calvie/tulip theory.

 

[Kroogz]

I really think they just want to protect their special status at all costs... so much arrogance in this sect.

Reformed/calvie/tulip theory does NOT reveal Christ. Creation silently and continuously reveals Christ.......They antagonize It.

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture can help you. Paul has the very Gospel of Christ in mind.......and then quotes Ps 19.

Every aspect of His creation reveals Christ..............He made it. Creation is redemption.

Again you are misled. Christ is supernaturally spiritually revealed by God. Matt 16 16-17

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Rufus]

Let's see what you are saying?

God sovereignly picks (chooses) some (equally bad) sinners to make saved, and sovereignly throws out the rest.

Your God is an all powerful spoiled child.

Here's a novel idea and newsflash for you: The entire world is not God's child. His children are only his elect which are Abraham's descendants. Also, as the Sovereign King of his Creation, God has the right and authority to do as he pleases with what is His. And lastly, since it is God's love IN CHRIST (Rom 8:39; Eph 1:4) for his children that impels Him to save his children in the first place, then those eternally outside of Christ were never destined to be saved. God predetermined to leave the non-elect in their sins so that they could freely make their own choices about how to live and do whatever they think is right in their own eyes.

So...how is God spoiled by doing as He pleases with what is His own?

 

[Rufus]

Jacob Arminius, the founder of what is known as, Arminianism, taught, "The lost sinner needs the Spirit’s assistance, but he does not have to be regenerated (made alive) by the Spirit before he can believe, for faith is man’s act and precedes the new birth". Clearly, Arminius, and those who follow his teachings, did not and do not believe that a man prior to salvation is dead in sins. They are all part of a cult that denies the spiritual death of mankind, for in believing that a man does not need to be made alive by God, they agree with Satan when he said to Eve she would not surely die if she ate of the forbidden fruit, because they say we are not truely dead.
**MDB**

Yup, they willfully pervert many metaphors in scripture by basically ignoring them which is the only way they can expound their heresy. As you know, I demonstrated how they conveniently ignore the "child" metaphor and in so doing the Heavenly Father of his own children has no right or authority to "impose" his good, holy and righteous will upon any of his children for their good and welfare, as earthly parents do.

The same could be said for the "sheep" metaphor. Sheep cannot survive on their own in the world, since they are virtually at the bottom of the food chain and at danger from all kinds of predators. They need shepherds to effectually lead them and to actually save them, as David did when he slew lion and bear to protect his sheep.

 

[Genez]

Thieme is a living history book when it comes to battles and wars. Hearing him recount famous battles of history is fascinating.

He is the only pastor I learned from who could explain in great detail the things that King David was doing. Not to mention, Joshua.
And his grasp on the military metaphors found in the Bible is refreshing to finally understand. The many military references are there for a reason. God wants real men to serve Him. If not only in the military, but life in general.

And, last, but not least...
The powerful military terms attributed to Jesus Christ.

If you want to understand a great part of the Scriptures often times missed? One needs to know what the military terms meant, as the Holy Spirit had them written into God's Word.

Christianity, when properly followed, produces masculinity in men, and beautiful femininity in women.

 

[Genez]

Tulip truth is fundamental to the Gospel of God's Grace! So that is your sentiment towards the Gospel of God's Grace.

If it makes you feel good?
It's alright?
Truth, by mood of the day.

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For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine. ​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers ​

to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3​

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You have free will to reject truth as you please.
No one is going to knock on your door and arrest you.

Only your maturity level in Christ will be arrested.


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[Genez]

Regarding the role of women as church leaders, the biblical “one flesh” definition of marriage implies that the wife of a pastor would ipso facto be a pastoress and the wives of deacons would be deaconesses, because it seems likely that God would want husband and wife to share the same ministry, as in the case of Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:26). Paul’s description of the husband as the “head” of his wife (1Cor. 11:3) does not negate such joint ministry. The ministry of Deborah in the OT (Judges 4:4) also sets a precedent.

Pastor... Always appears in masculine gender.

On the other hand... A good deaconess can serve tables as well as any male.
Not the same function as the genuine pastor has.
A pastor's wife can minister to her husband's congregation, if so gifted.
But she can not assume authority over the males like only a good pastor will be able to.

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[Genez]

The more they defend these "doctrines of grace" so called.......... the more we see it describes a god of sovereign limitations.

A god who must compensate for his own deficiencies in doing it right...

 

[Genez]

Here's a novel idea and newsflash for you: The entire world is not God's child. His children are only his elect which are Abraham's descendants. Also, as the Sovereign King of his Creation, God has the right and authority to do as he pleases with what is His. And lastly, since it is God's love IN CHRIST (Rom 8:39; Eph 1:4) for his children that impels Him to save his children in the first place, then those eternally outside of Christ were never destined to be saved. God predetermined to leave the non-elect in their sins so that they could freely make their own choices about how to live and do whatever they think is right in their own eyes.

So...how is God spoiled by doing as He pleases with what is His own?

Rufus...
Please remember to shut the door behind you when you leave.
Thank you.

 

[BillyBob]

The same could be said for the "sheep" metaphor. Sheep cannot survive on their own in the world, since they are virtually at the bottom of the food chain and at danger from all kinds of predators. They need shepherds to effectually lead them and to actually save them, as David did when he slew lion and bear to protect his sheep.

The chosen man is dragged, drawn, pulled, to God by God. The sheep that has been found by the shepherd does not jump into its master’s arms after having been coaxed to do so, but is picked up by the shepherd and carried back to its proper place (see Lk. 15:5).

 

[brightfame52]

If it makes you feel good?
It's alright?
Truth, by mood of the day.

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For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine. ​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers ​

to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3​

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You have free will to reject truth as you please.
No one is going to knock on your door and arrest you.

Only your maturity level in Christ will be arrested.


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I guess you just have to find out on the day of judgment

 

[sawdust]

I really think they just want to protect their special status at all costs... so much arrogance in this sect.

Interesting. We all saw what the "we are the chosen" concept did to the antagonistic Pharisees.

Doesn't matter how many times we correct their misunderstanding of what we say, they simply turn around and call us liars and refuse to believe they got it wrong.

I'm thankful the Lord will sort out the mess on The Day.

 

[Rufus]

Rufus...
Please remember to shut the door behind you when you leave.
Thank you.

I'm not going anywhere. Why should I be the one to leave you blasphemous heretic?