Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Rufus]

well the last time I spoke to you, you put me in the league as people making horrible comments and you made up many stories about me, then you just stopped replying to posts I made to you, to me that just says your irrational

So you can try to excuse yourself all you want, but I ain't interested anymore.

Okay then...Have a Merry Christmas, anyway.

 

[sawdust]

FALSE! Sanctification, which includes the work of Regeneration, results in the obedience to gospel truth (1Pet 1:2; 2Thes 2:13). The Spirit's personal, subjective sanctifying work PRECEDES the obedience of faith!

What type of birth is occurring in growth?

 

[BillyBob]

“Salvation Belongs To God Alone: It Is His Gift. In Jonah 2:9, the Bible declares, ‘…Salvation is of the Lord’. Salvation is God’s to give or to withhold. He has the right to save whomever He wills, and He has the right to deny salvation.” Those who believe Christ died for all, and that the decision for salvation is now in man’s hands, have no right to call the true God unfair for saving some and not all. They paint the bizarre picture of people banging on Heaven’s Door with all their might wanting to get in, but being denied entrance by the God Who chose not to save them, even though they wanted to be saved!
**MDB**

Rom 9:14-16 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

 

[Genez]

oh give your head a wobble and grow up, silly monkey

You are a spiritual pick pocket.

 

[sawdust]

But he does save ALL men in the qualitative sense!

Rev 5:9-10
9 And they sang a new song:

"You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased men for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth."
NIV

If God intended to save all men in the distributive sense, why didn't Jesus pray the entire world? Why did he limit his prayer to the two flocks of sheep in Jn 17? The above passage bears this truth out.

I can't help it if you can't exegete scripture. Plus you're obviously ignorant of the OT, as well.

Ps 47:8-9
8 God reigns over the nations;
God is seated on his holy throne.
9 The nobles of the nations assemble
as the people of the God of Abraham,
for the kings of the earth belong to God;
he is greatly exalted.
NIV

Ps 117:1-2
1 Praise the LORD, all you nations;
extol him, all you peoples.
2 For great is his love toward us,
and the faithfulness of the LORD endures forever.
NIV

God has always loved Abraham's descendants who are scattered all throughout the world.

I spoke of God's desire, not His intention. If Jesus had prayed for those who would not accept the Father's word, He would have been a hypocrite.

God has never intended to save the unbeliever, only believers, those who accept His word.

He desires all to be saved but refuses to fulfill his own desire? What sort of God cannot get what He wants? Worse still, divides his own counsel against himself.

 

[sawdust]

FTFY!

And I understand you duplicitous FWers perfectly, thank you! Do you ever let your brain catch up to your fingers? You FWers don't believe that grace actaully saves! You believe that God's ineffectual grace merely makes salvation possible. In your world Jesus is reduced to a mere potential savior -- a concept that is totally foreign in scripture.

ROFL

Someone is going to be in for quite a shock.

 

[Genez]

You are a spiritual pick pocket.

You give no answers after you act like you have one.

You are in no position to tell someone he is wrong, unless you can show a refutation.
You only give silly responses and tell me I am wrong...

That's nothingness.

 

[Jordon]

You are a spiritual pick pocket.

Then what do you think they believe? If you have time, break the acronym down for us please one letter at a time.

T
U
L
I
P

Tulip is just a doctrine it should only be seen as an doctrine that can lead to understanding, of how to come to terms with the truth, and that's all it is really. You could paint everyone with the same brush if you want to mate, but I would rather not have a Grinch meal thanks

Merry Christmas

 

[Genez]

FTFY!

And I understand you duplicitous FWers perfectly, thank you! Do you ever let your brain catch up to your fingers? You FWers don't believe that grace actaully saves! You believe that God's ineffectual grace merely makes salvation possible. In your world Jesus is reduced to a mere potential savior -- a concept that is totally foreign in scripture.

What you do only serves to give an appearance that someone is wrong, but to those who come here and do not know what to think with.

You are an empty shell .....

 

[Genez]

Tulip is just a doctrine it should only be seen as an doctrine that can lead to understanding, of how to come to terms with the truth, and that's all it is really. You could paint everyone with the same brush if you want to mate, but I would rather not have a Grinch meal thanks

Merry Christmas

Are you really a Christian?
Or have you simply learned talking points to make yourself appear to be one?
A poorly thinking one.

 

[Jordon]

You give no answers after you act like you have one.

You are in no position to tell someone he is wrong, unless you can show a refutation.
You only give silly responses and tell me I am wrong...

That's nothingness.

This little monkey says you can love a thief

 

[Jordon]

Are you really a Christian?
Or have you simply learned talking points to make yourself appear to be one?
A poorly thinking one.

and this little monkey says your free will can demand all you want

 

[Jordon]

Okay then...Have a Merry Christmas, anyway.

me thinks that wasn't sincere enough and you'll have to do better than that

 

[lrs68]

“Salvation Belongs To God Alone: It Is His Gift. In Jonah 2:9, the Bible declares, ‘…Salvation is of the Lord’. Salvation is God’s to give or to withhold. He has the right to save whomever He wills, and He has the right to deny salvation.” Those who believe Christ died for all, and that the decision for salvation is now in man’s hands, have no right to call the true God unfair for saving some and not all. They paint the bizarre picture of people banging on Heaven’s Door with all their might wanting to get in, but being denied entrance by the God Who chose not to save them, even though they wanted to be saved!
**MDB**

Rom 9:14-16 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

The Tanakh plus the Epistle of Peter explains God doesn't desire for anyone to perish.

Oddly enough those Verses also end with God saying to humanity including those who read the Bible (both saved and lost) to choose life over death.

This Verse is repeated from the Old Testament to the New Testament in the same way David and Peter wrote 1 day = 1,000 years.

Whenever God has a Verse repeated it's not to be ignored.

From the Garden with the warning of not eating from the forbidden tree to Noah preaching for 120 years, to the warning before Babel, to God giving the Pharaoh a chance through Moses before he hardened his heart and God made it permanent to countless stories and examples where God always gave warning to the enemy before killing them...

Why would you believe God created them to kill them and waste the time to warn them.

Even Romans 1 is a warning to outcome scenario.

But in your beliefs you have God just killing people without warning to fulfill God's need to prove His sovereignty.

Can you show me a single Verse where God kills someone without first warning them?

Because that's a choice they made to die.

Show me a Verse where God kills someone without warning them first?

Even those swallowed by the Earth before Moses were first warned.

Show me this God that you claim exists in the Bible?

 

[sawdust]

Tulip is just a doctrine it should only be seen as an doctrine that can lead to understanding, of how to come to terms with the truth, and that's all it is really. You could paint everyone with the same brush if you want to mate, but I would rather not have a Grinch meal thanks

Merry Christmas

Doctrines are a set of principles to believe. They are not guideposts to understanding. When you use words with meanings that are not what they actually mean, it only confuses the issues.

doctrine British

/ ˌdɒktrɪˈnælɪtɪ, ˈdɒktrɪn, dɒkˈtraɪnəl /

noun

1. a creed or body of teachings of a religious, political, or philosophical group presented for acceptance or belief; dogma
2. a principle or body of principles that is taught or advocated

 

[Jordon]

Doctrines are a set of principles to believe. They are not guideposts to understanding. When you use words with meanings that are not what they actually mean, it only confuses the issues.

doctrine British

/ ˌdɒktrɪˈnælɪtɪ, ˈdɒktrɪn, dɒkˈtraɪnəl /

noun

1. a creed or body of teachings of a religious, political, or philosophical group presented for acceptance or belief; dogma
2. a principle or body of principles that is taught or advocated

yep your free will can look at that way, not all all doctrines are creeds

Doctrines are general teachings

Creeds are more precise tenets of those beliefs and tulip is not central to the reformed church

Tulip is only central to smelly people


Here's the true Calvie creed

 

[cv5]

“Salvation Belongs To God Alone: It Is His Gift. In Jonah 2:9, the Bible declares, ‘…Salvation is of the Lord’. Salvation is God’s to give or to withhold. He has the right to save whomever He wills, and He has the right to deny salvation.” Those who believe Christ died for all, and that the decision for salvation is now in man’s hands, have no right to call the true God unfair for saving some and not all. They paint the bizarre picture of people banging on Heaven’s Door with all their might wanting to get in, but being denied entrance by the God Who chose not to save them, even though they wanted to be saved!
**MDB**

Rom 9:14-16 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

[Luk 14:21-23 NKJV]
21 "So that servant came and reported these things to his master. Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant, 'Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in here [the] poor and [the] maimed and [the] lame and [the] blind.'
22 "And the servant said, 'Master, it is done as you commanded, and still there is room.'
23 "Then the master said to the servant, 'Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel [them] to come in, that my house may be filled.

 

[Genez]

Dr. Walter Martin identified, "the subtle art of redefinition," common in cults.

They have revealed a lot of "redefinition" on this thread, regeneration not being salvation is one.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

Biblically, the washing of our sins does not precede faith; so nor does regeneration.

It’s a Reformed Doctrine invention.

"Deformed Doctrine."

Thot I'd fix it.

 

[Rufus]

What type of birth is occurring in growth?

I don't understand your question.

 

[Kroogz]

Yes it does. Creation doesn't reveal Christ.

Nonsense. Complete rubbish. The reformed theory is a GIANT dumpster fire.

Rom 10
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Ps 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. 3 They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. 4 Yet their voice[1] goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.