Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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They are too blind to see that the blind cannot see.
Ask any atheist what Christians believe about Jesus and the cross.
You will soon find out (if they are willing to speak to you) that they are well aware.
They just refuse to believe it.
do you have memory issues and an understanding issue ?
It's like you don't listen to anything,
Predetermined means God set his will in place to whom would be saved by for-knowing a whole persons life before they where born. As in knowing how everyone will interact with him before they where born.
To clarify one last time the fathers knows in advance when a person will be handed over to the son as cited in scripture, Paul in his mother's womb, as an example
The father also knew how Paul would interact with God before he was born, and he knew the moment he would be filled with spirit before he was born.
The same rules apply to everyone because Paul was all about destroying the truth at first.
And to all those that don't accept the truth, God also knew if they would accept before they where born, and he also knew how they would all interact with God the father before they where born, and when they where born they all interacted with God, the way God knew they would before they where born, but they never Got handed over to the son.
It's really that simple
OK...
The Lord also foreknows that the Antichrist will murderous and insane during the Tribulation.
That means the Lord makes him insane to do what he does?
That was not answering my question.
Here again....
If God foreknows who will believe?
Does that mean He makes them believe?
I answered that question before i answered your next question and which this question was not in your last question , now your back to saying I haven't answered again , you definitely have some kind of cognitive issue going on there mate,
Why is it so difficult to understand God can make a Person believe ?
Let me guess because an imaginary monster called mr nasty wannabe Calvinist told every single one of your actions where predetermined even your thoughts to , but how many time do I have to show you that's not how true Calvie affiliates speak or share the gospel. They share the gospel by saying his word can save anyone and That God knows your every thought in advance.
What else is so Diffacult to understand for you, well let me guess, Mr nasty wannabe Calvinist claimed he was also saved by irresistible grace,
Awe what a shame pal, you can't see that God making a person believe can become irresistible grace.
Do I really need to go through the hundreds of posts I've already shown to you, showing how and where God made a person believe.
Since we have proven there's literally NO VERSE that makes your claim that makes you WRONG!
But you already know that.
I know you can not answer it.
You will give a bunch of verses and make claims about them, but never explain how what I asked is so.
One more time?
How does God make someone to believe?
Is there a switch inside a person that God throws?
Does he download and install a program into their soul?
How does He do it? Make some to believe?
If you do not know?
You have no right to keep making your unsubstantiated claim as if it were matter of fact.
Show me a verse were it says God made you to believe.
He know that you would believe.
But, that does not mean the same thing.
Prove that you are logical and rational, please.
Non-answer.
You did not even have the decency to actual post what passage says.
One day you are going to have to admit you are making a mistake.
But, too many people agree with you who hold to the same mistake.
You are herd bound.
You follow your own crowd,,,, not the Word of God for what it is saying.
This is the last time i show you, God for-knowing your future in advance is about for knowledge, not as you put it determining your every thought and action, it means God being aware of you every thought in action in advance , to which he can help you and make you believe, by his enabling grace, he doesn't make a person insane or cause a person to sin, he makes them believe.
And here's is just a few scriptures again, leaving out over many many scriptures I've shown to you.
Jeremiah 29:11
Psalm 139:16-18
Isaiah 46:10
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you
and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
That was said to someone who was already a believer!
Psalm 139:16
Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.
That only tells us that God is omniscient and was telling the psalmist that God had planned out the life of him whom God knew would believe!
Isaiah 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
That has to do with God saying that what He has planned for that persons life (being a believer) will take place as God wants it to be.
None of those versus tell us how God made them to believe!
They only tell us that God knew they would believe.
They where made to believe by God speaking directly is there heart, the light that warms the heart. Your one crazy dude.
Luke 24:32 describes the disciples hearts burning as Jesus talked to them along the way. Peter was not a full believer at first he showed moments of doubt and denial before becoming a key figure in the church.
The prophets words where for everyone
Jeremiah
because the word of the Lord was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily.
9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
And the word is for everyone to help them and make them believe written here
Deuteronomy 30:19
Im whatever you say I am, and your in complete denial, your probably the worst person i have ever talked to that just will not see sense.