Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Man is born in transgression and sin (Psalm 51 verse 5, 58 verse 3), dead in transgressions (Ephesians 2 verse 5), his heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure (Jeremiah 17 verse 9), held captive by a love for sin (John 3 verse 19; John 8 verse 34), so that he will not seek God (Romans 3 verses 10-11), because he loves the darkness (John 3 verse 19), and does not understand the things of God (1 Corinthians 2 verse 14), nor can he change himself (Jeremiah 13 verse 23). He suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness (Romans 1 verse 18) and continues to willfully live in sin because he is totally depraved; this sinful lifestyle seems right to men (Proverbs 14 verse 12); they reject the gospel of Christ as foolishness (1 Corinthians 1 verse 18), and their mind is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. (Romans 8 verse 7).
 
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Romans 1 - 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity for the dishonoring of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise!f Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents. 31 They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.

32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them.


Magenta; do you have ha special crush of what bearded men - MEN - wrote some 2000 years ago?
And if so - why ?
 
Magenta; do you have ha special crush of what bearded men - MEN - wrote some 2000 years ago?
And if so - why ?
Are you irrevocably impaired? We have already gone over this.

You think you are smart but expect to come to a Christian site and not have people believe the Bible???

You are not anywhere near as clever as you believe yourself to be.

PS- in your so-called search for truth, that may be a good place to start.
 
Are you irrevocably impaired? We have already gone over this.

You think you are smart but expect to come to a Christian site and not have people believe the Bible???

You are not anywhere near as clever as you believe yourself to be.

PS- in your so-called search for truth, that may be a good place to start.

Thank you for your compliment. I will reflect upon it.
By the way: I do not consider myself clever. So where you got this idea from is a mystery.

Magenta: If I say the word "humility" what do you think about that word ? And is this word connected to the christian viewpoint of this world in any way ?
 
OK, seen that. Standard christian dogmatix from you I see. But you did not really answer my original question which was:
"Can a good God send people into eternal punishment ?"

Please try again. I am waiting.
The issue is not sin when it comes to the lake of fire.
For the Cross rendered the sin issue null and void.

The issue is Evil. Not sin.

David loved the Lord, but sinned terribly at times.
Many mistresses, committed adultery, and had Uriah murdered.
In contrast. King Saul was a very moral man, but committed evil.

Jesus died for our sins.
But, Jesus could not die for evil.
For, to do so?
He would have needed to reject the Father while bearing evil.

Eternal punishment is designated for people who will have the same mindset as Satan.
They reject God, and set themselves up as their own God.

Hard to imagine being that way.

But, that's why, they need to be quarantined away from all others for all eternity.
The torment will prevent them from externalizing evil thoughts as their means to try to contaminate the minds of those who accepted God as their Lord and Savior.

Their constant tormented state will not allow for them to have any evil thoughts except upon themselves.
God created all souls to live forever.
Evil souls will end up only existing forever.

......
 
That's the opposite of arbitrary.

God does not base his final judgment upon sin.
The Cross wiped that slate clean.

Two people can be equally sinners.
One sinner will be evil towards God.
The other sinner will seek God, and not be evil.

God is not arbitrary.

.......
 
I do not consider myself clever. So where you got this idea from is a mystery.
I get it from remarks you make, such as:

How set against reason, critical thinking and a sceptical mind are you ?

Do you believe these characteristics are unique to unbelievers such as yourself?

Magenta: If I say the word "humility" what do you think about that word ?
God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.

Do you believe yourself to be humble?

Do you humble yourself before God?

Eh, no, of course you do not.

Do you pray at all?
 
God does not base his final judgment upon sin.
The Cross wiped that slate clean.

Two people can be equally sinners.
One sinner will be evil towards God.
The other sinner will seek God, and not be evil.

God is not arbitrary.

.......
I never said He was. You are just another in a long line that make insinuation where none is warranted. And Jesus saves His people from their sins. This includes the performance of those sins.
 
I never said He was. You are just another in a long line that make insinuation where none is warranted.
And Jesus saves His people from their sins. This includes the performance of those sins.
Not just insinuations, but baseless assumptions and outright false accusations.

These sorts of things ^ seem to be a specialty among the free will crowd.
 
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Romans 9 verses 11-13 ~ Before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad, in order that God’s plan of election might stand, not by works but by Him who calls, she (Rebekah) was told, “The older will serve the younger.” So it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
 
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Dear fellow human beings. And if there is a AI robot reading this; fu** off.

Dear fellow humans. You are like me; a human being. So; no need to regret being a human. We are all in the same boat; and we will not live eternally. Some day in the future it's all over. The exact person “you” was here on this planet, and “you” will never return after your decay.

Sounds depressive? Maybe, but please listen dear friend:

Life is a fantastic thing – really !!!! You have this one and only chance, and it's up to you to do the best out of it. You cannot, in the long term, accuse anyone else of destroying your life. Because it's all up to you. That's the hard but true facts of life.

My advice to you is as follows:

- Try to balance your rational mind with your irrational tendencies. Do not forget “the other side”.
- Take care of nature, climate, animals, plants. You are not alone in this world. You are totally dependant of nature. Totally.
- Above all: Love your human beings. Love can solve every problem. Love is the basic thing. It's above all things and the basic of human existence.

I wish you all the best things in life.
 
You suffer from a low opinion of God. God's grace is not irresistible because of force, but because of the overwhelming magnitude of love and mercy and grace that is manifested. If you have ever experienced this, you would know why no one resists it.

You are in essence redefining agape love.

The very fact that this god (note small g) overwhelms (your word) those he he has chosen to save is exactly why it is not agape love as defined by scripture but something else where god's (note small g) power is placed above love.
 
You suffer from a low opinion of God. God's grace is not irresistible because of force, but because of the overwhelming magnitude
of love and mercy and grace that is manifested. If you have ever experienced this, you would know why no one resists it.
She seems to prefer her fantasy POOF version, and separates His love from His power.

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All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. Matthew 11 v 27
 
Dear fellow human beings. And if there is a AI robot reading this; fu** off.

Dear fellow humans. You are like me; a human being. So; no need to regret being a human. We are all in the same boat; and we will not live eternally. Some day in the future it's all over. The exact person “you” was here on this planet, and “you” will never return after your decay.

Sounds depressive? Maybe, but please listen dear friend:

Life is a fantastic thing – really !!!! You have this one and only chance, and it's up to you to do the best out of it. You cannot, in the long term, accuse anyone else of destroying your life. Because it's all up to you. That's the hard but true facts of life.

My advice to you is as follows:

- Try to balance your rational mind with your irrational tendencies. Do not forget “the other side”.
- Take care of nature, climate, animals, plants. You are not alone in this world. You are totally dependant of nature. Totally.
- Above all: Love your human beings. Love can solve every problem. Love is the basic thing. It's above all things and the basic of human existence.

I wish you all the best things in life.


I knew you where a Norwegian volcano ready to erupt I wonder if you can relate to getting angry now 🙂

how about some mellow moments,


The law of nature only has a law to want to survive at whatever cost, the evidence of that is every where,

The reality is You need to have rules to control nature, other wise your nature could get out of control, this is why you should listen to what your conscience is telling you. Which is get right with God.
 
You are in essence redefining agape love.

The very fact that this god (note small g) overwhelms (your word) those he he has chosen to save is exactly why it is not agape love as defined by scripture but something else where god's (note small g) power is placed above love.
Perhaps you should explain from scripture what you believe agape love is.