Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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OK, seen that. Standard christian dogmatix from you I see. But you did not really answer my original question which was:
"Can a good God send people into eternal punishment ?"

Please try again. I am waiting.

God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3). All explanations of reality and interpretations of Scripture should conform to this certitude: “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.” (Psa. 145:17) The Judge is just. It would be better not to attempt an explanation of God’s Word than to state one that impugns God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16).

Evil people punish/torture themselves by experiencing delayed karma, just as those who experience appropriate justice during this earthly existence also punish themselves or reap what they have sown and send themselves to jail. This view makes souls responsible for breaking the rules rather than blaming evil on the judges (or Judge) who enforce the rules. The purpose of earthly punishment is to promote repentance, but the reason for retribution in hell is to attain justice. It is difficult to imagine, but somehow even someone as evil as Hitler will receive perfect justice, perhaps experiencing the agony of the millions of deaths he caused in accordance with the principal of “eye for eye” (MT 5:38), after which their souls are destroyed forever (per John 17:12, Rom. 9:22, Gal. 6:8, Phil. 3:19, 2Thes. 1:9, 2Pet. 3:7 & Rev. 20:13-14).
 
OK, seen that. Standard christian dogmatix from you I see. But you did not really answer my original question which was:
"Can a good God send people into eternal punishment ?"

Please try again. I am waiting.
I believe the rough guide of the census for everyone who has ever lived since Adam and eve is approximately 120 billion people

So many are called and few are chosen if you use 5 to represent a few number, then devide 5 by 120 billion as everyone is called and few are chosen

Then that means currently there is 22 billion people in heaven. A big church


But as for the other 98 billion people mmm maybe there bodies became maggots 😋
 
God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3). All explanations of reality and interpretations of Scripture should conform to this certitude: “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.” (Psa. 145:17) The Judge is just. It would be better not to attempt an explanation of God’s Word than to state one that impugns God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16).

Evil people punish/torture themselves by experiencing delayed karma, just as those who experience appropriate justice during this earthly existence also punish themselves or reap what they have sown and send themselves to jail. This view makes souls responsible for breaking the rules rather than blaming evil on the judges (or Judge) who enforce the rules. The purpose of earthly punishment is to promote repentance, but the reason for retribution in hell is to attain justice. It is difficult to imagine, but somehow even someone as evil as Hitler will receive perfect justice, perhaps experiencing the agony of the millions of deaths he caused in accordance with the principal of “eye for eye” (MT 5:38), after which their souls are destroyed forever (per John 17:12, Rom. 9:22, Gal. 6:8, Phil. 3:19, 2Thes. 1:9, 2Pet. 3:7 & Rev. 20:13-14).

Most of what you write is kind'a foggy for me, but you state that "God is just". Well, really? Which God? The God of the old testament, the new one or what?
 
I believe the rough guide of the census for everyone who has ever lived since Adam and eve is approximately 120 billion people

So many are called and few are chosen if you use 5 to represent a few number, then devide 5 by 120 billion as everyone is called and few are chosen

Then that means currently there is 22 billion people in heaven. A big church


But as for the other 98 billion people mmm maybe there bodies became maggots 😋

Well, what at destiny for non-beleivers like me.... :)
 
Well Jordon, can you document that claim from the Bible? :)
yes the symbolism of a caterpillar to a butterfly represent resurrection, but theres no mention what colour your wings will be, but I would like to be called Golden boots 🤩
 
I'm christian when my heart is giving but when my head is chocca blocka I'm a fruit and nut cake 😋

This is me playing the drums




Nice. You're a good drummer!
I am a piano player. But you wrote: "chocca blocka"
So what is that? I'm just a simple soul from Norway. Might you explain ?
 
Really? You and Genesis or Phil Collins ?
The word is chock a block, its when the mind becomes full, but the good news is I'm a full pint of lager

I can be whoever I want to be.

So in a nut shell I can be mr Maggooo or Betty boo

Or in nut shell I can be the bearer of Good news

And the good news for today is this 🤩

 
OK, seen that. Standard christian dogmatix from you I see. But you did not really answer my original question which was:
"Can a good God send people into eternal punishment ?"

Please try again. I am waiting.
Aren't you the little encourager?
And yes, a good God who is righteous must send unrepentant sinners to hell; otherwise, He isn't righteous.
 
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I see that your name is the_seeker. Are you actually seeking to become a believer, or are you here to convince others that they should be a non-believer like you claim to be?

I am seeking after the truth in life. What about you ?