Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
 
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Rufus said:
Like you FWers can feel any humility? In your universe God is only a potential savior -- a possible
savior whose"enabling" grace is totally ineffective. So...this belief system produces trust in the only
thing that is efficacious in man's salvation, i.e. man's supposed "freewill". And therein is where your
PRIDE lies -- in your own "freewill" choice that actually frees God up to save you.
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Hard to miss that they boast in the flesh... their vain philosophically based self-exalting theology demands it of them.
 
Blue155 said:
Scripture says God desires all people to be saved (1 Tim 2:4; cf. 2 Pet 3:9). But if those verses are about the elect (who God has elected to be saved before the foundation of the world per Calvinism), then God’s word is saying He desires all the saved to be saved and not perish, all while already knowing the elect are saved and will not perish.
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you have been told many times nobody is without excuse and everybody is accountabke for every careless word spoken.

What does this mean, well it's cited, and it means God Gives grace to the lost, all the lost

He elects them to adoption because they do what his fire in there heart instructs them to do, and he knows this before your born


Alm you need to do is accept, that many messengers here are you telling you this

And all you doing is shooting the messengers.

and for those who shoot the messengers by there free will, there house will not stand
 
Blue155 said:
That is not what the text says, but let’s say you are right.

In Calvinism, God eternally decreed the fall of man only to then not take pleasure with His own eternal decree. Makes no sense.
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No God placed himself into the time of man, from a point of of time that that stands still. Way before man, and he gave man the thinking capacity by the will he had placed in there heart, to accept life from life.
 
Blue155 said:
In Calvinism, God eternally decreed the fall of man only to then not take pleasure with His own eternal decree. Makes no sense.
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Yes, God allowed the fall of man knowing it would happen, to deny this is to deny His omniscience, and
God also had already made provision for it, knowing what the natural man Adam would do, but FWers
have such a terribly difficult time accepting what Scripture says of the natural man, and in fact they
are so confused about the natural man that they ascribe to him qualities, characteristics and abilities
that only the spiritual man is in possession of... their whole self-exalting theology rests on that error.

It also contributes in a big way to FWers becoming the Pelagian heretics they are.

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The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14
 
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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
 
HeIsHere said:
Those questions... :LOL:

In the plan of salvation >>>>>>> regeneration does not precede belief/faith

and >>>>> saving faith is not explicitly taught to be gifted to a particular, created, chosen people.
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They also fail to recognise that election is based on foreknowledge which is not to be confused with God's omniscience. Foreknowledge is God seeing Himself in relationship with people, hence they are saved. If it were the same as omniscience, election would have to apply to all as God has knowledge of all. Election is never applicable to unbelievers only applied to believers and God has promised to save believers, hence, salvation comes first then election.
 
sawdust said:
You forgot to add heretics and liars.

Ahhh ... you can just feel the brotherly love, gets you all warm and gooey. ;)
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well free will sometimes acts that way, how about your free will does it.
You can answer how you like right. That's Free will isn't it ?

I mean if I can't understand or have grace for free will that lives in the flesh can lie, would I have the fruits of the spirit


Or here's a chance for you

Which fruit does lie


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sawdust said:
They also fail to recognise that election is based on foreknowledge which is not to be confused with God's omniscience. Foreknowledge is God seeing Himself in relationship with people, hence they are saved. If it were the same as omniscience, election would have to apply to all as God has knowledge of all. Election is never applicable to unbelievers only applied to believers and God has promised to save believers, hence, salvation comes first then election.
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no that's you not recognising that God will have mercy whom he has mercy on
 
Magenta said:
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Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
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apparently sin has no law.. But I wonder does sin have free will ? It willfully wants to reject God it must do surely, could it be I've uncovered the law of sin

Well you know when someone tells you enabling grace is no where in the bible, how do you justify that.

I can't imagine why
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Those are the fruits calvignostics are allergic to
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ah ok

Well maybe you could answer

Does the law of sin affect everyone and why may that be.

Could it be that law of sin means to Disobey God because the law of sin lives in the human nature.

Or could it be them the law of sin had a will of it's own

And how are you free from that ?
 
Jordon said:
Does the law of sin affect everyone and why may that be.
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Pelagian heretics are "allergic" to truth telling. That is why they contradict and deny so much of what Scripture explicitly articulates.

They have the incurably wicked heart of the man who is incapable of submitting to or obeying God doing
just that by choosing to believe what he is inherently opposed to, and can neither receive nor comprehend.
 
Magenta said:
Pelagian heretics are "allergic" to truth telling.
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remember when i actually thought a Pelagian heritic was someone expressed Gods word with no sense, because I never knew what it meant, and I just guessed,


I'm wondering if thats true as well now
 
Jordon said:
remember when i actually thought a Pelagian heritic was someone expressed Gods word with no sense, because I never knew what it meant, and I just guessed,

I'm wondering if thats true as well now
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No, I do not recall that... these heretics claim the natural man can do what Scripture says he cannot.

It is part and parcel of their whole free will error. They call being taken captive to do the will of the devil "freedom."
 
Jordon said:
Well you know when someone tells you enabling grace is no where in the bible, how do you justify that.
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Here is scriptural evidence of enabling grace.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Grace is God's power to do what man cannot do, given freely based on His goodwill.
 
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