Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

when was the last time you struggled with your flesh?

when was the last time you were chastened by God? ... what was the result of God having chastened you?

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I've already told you Gods word has disciplined me my whole life.

And in my life I'm always receiving acts of kindness, in my life, to which I'm always thankful for, I've endured hardships and the lord has been there for me

For me asking God what is necessary in my life everyday is Enough for me,.as I see it either I grow spiritualy by his the daily renewing of my mind and communion with the lord, or I lose ground.

all scripture is useful for correcting teaching and even rebuking in my eyes

And God does chasten the ones he loves to, there's times when when I haven't had the feeling of inner peace in my heart, because of act I should of been doing, and it's not been until I've actually repented that the peace has returnrs.to my heart. To me not having his strong feelings of will in my heart to control myself is punishment enough for.
Not feeling the joys of his strength and inner peace.is punishment for me. Along with the daily bright ideas he gives me to please him.


Gods kindness to me is a means to by which he guides me disciplines me and trains me

But his disaplin which may not be pleasant at first lead me to righteousness,

I remember I use to tremble with fear, when pinching an apple as a little boy, and since then I've never done it since.

For me its a blessing to be have been disciplined by God through his active word in my heart and I've loved every moment of God words guiding me and controlling my thoughts.

Like how he stops me in my tracks learning to be patient,..how he stops me from being unkind how he helps me to patience
.it wasn't easy at first,. But God saw to it,

When I listen to his advice and accept his discipline I end up becoming wise and staying out of trouble and stupid arguments,.and I don't make enemies for myself

When I seek him and ask what I can do for him today he tells what acts of kindness I will recieve the next day and it happens.

It happens with my family with my neighbours with my friends, whom we are all Christian, we all live for each other in the lord.

 

[Believer08]

God, in His sovereignty (supreme authority), has given man the freedom to come and choose (Rev. 22:17, Matthew 11:28; Deut. 30:9; Joshua 24:15).

Yes, we have free will. I have very little patience for those who believe God made us to be nothing more than puppets.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

There's no mystery here. You need to be correct for your beliefs to hold. If you're wrong they don't. So of course you need to be correct. I get it, but following what scripture says would be so much easier.

As for my beliefs, they've been clearly stated multiple times. God's chosen are made spiritually alive, their faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, they believe (a choice) and are given eternal life.

First, unless you provide a post number, I am not going to go through thousands of pages within this thread just to find out what you actually believe when you can just easily tell me. If you are feeling tired, or your heart is not into explaining it to me, you can have ChatGPT write it out for you. Once you get the writeup you like from ChatGPT explaining your belief the way you like, you can even save this writeup on Google docs for future inquiries by other people like myself.

Second, do you see Calvinism as offering a choice between options A, and B when it comes to choosing God?
Meaning, do you believe a person can accept or reject the gospel?
Yes, or no?

Three, Britannica says,
"choice, in philosophy, the supposed ability to freely decide between alternatives. Choice is a corollary of the traditional notion of free will, understood as the supposed power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event in or state of the universe. "

Source:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/choice

Granted, I shouldn’t need to pull out an encyclopedia for something this obvious. Anyone with a basic grasp of English understands that if only one outcome is inevitable and cannot be altered, it is not a genuine choice. Inevitability means the result will occur no matter what actions or decisions are made. A true choice requires real alternatives between two or more options and the ability to affect the outcome (like choosing between options A, and B). When no alternatives exist, the element of choice disappears entirely. Not sure why you do not seem to understand this in light of the classic understanding of Calvinism. Even if your Calvinism was different that allowed for accepting or rejecting God, you would have to at least acknowledge the classic and more popular version of Calvinism.

If you do not tell it to me straight after this post, then there is no point to continue this conversation seeing you do not want to really share your beliefs with the rest of humanity.





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[Bible_Highlighter]

God, in His sovereignty (supreme authority), has given man the freedom to come and choose (Rev. 22:17, Matthew 11:28; Deut. 30:9; Joshua 24:15).

Yes, we have free will. I have very little patience for those who believe God made us to be nothing more than puppets.

I agree we have free will choice in choosing to believe in Jesus Christ (God) and the gospel message.
However, I see this free will choice existing at certain points in a person's life when God draws, convicts, and opens hearts, etcetera.

In other words, I believe God the Father, in His mercy, uses Jesus Christ to light the way of every man that comes into the world (John 1:9 KJV), to draw all men to Himself (John 12:32 KJV), to open the heart (Acts 16:14 KJV), and to convict of sin by the Holy Spirit (John 16:8 KJV), enabling each person to make a genuine free-will choice to accept or reject the gospel message. You cannot freely believe or reject the gospel without God’s drawing and illumination. This is why Jesus said, “This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent” (John 6:29 KJV), which aligns with Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV. It truly is God’s work and not our own when we first believe. Our choosing God solely based on man’s will alone without God’s drawing, as in Pelagianism, is not true. The truth is that we have God-enabled free will (under God's perfect timing).

This teaching is known as "Prevenient Grace" in Arminianism, though that term can be misleading because the word "grace" implies salvation, which is not automatic in this moment of enablement. A more accurate description is "Temporary Enablement or Enlightenment." Under God’s drawing, the heart and understanding of man are opened so he can comprehend the truth of the gospel and respond in faith of his own free will. The gospel message of salvation is believing that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. Paul wrote, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth” Granted, once we are saved by the gospel message, I also believe that the gospel calls us to live a holy life. God has chosen us to salvation through the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, setting us apart to walk in holiness (See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 KJV). For God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12 KJV).




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[Jordon]

God, in His sovereignty (supreme authority), has given man the freedom to come and choose (Rev. 22:17, Matthew 11:28; Deut. 30:9; Joshua 24:15).

Yes, we have free will. I have very little patience for those who believe God made us to be nothing more than puppets.

That s nice can you think of any other reason he created man.

How about to be stewards of his garden on earth,

Or How about to be his children.

Or how about to love him like he loved us when he creates us.

I know how about to be like his son Jesus Christ in his ways.

How about he created us to be our father.

How about he created us to honour his authority.

These are all images God has said he wants for us.

Did you forget about the image of God enabling you to make the right choice to.

What exactly are you free to choose, are you free to choose anything you want ?

 

[Genez]

That s nice can you think of any other reason he created man.
How about to be stewards of his garden on earth,
Or How about to be his children.
Or how about to love him like he loved us when he creates us.

How about, God created man at a time in history to be openly displayed before angels to put an end to all the lying and denials Satan kept producing in his desire to vindicate his actions while impugning the character of God?

 

[Jordon]

I agree we have free will choice in choosing to believe in Jesus Christ (God) and the gospel message.
However, I see this free will choice existing at certain points in a person's life when God draws, convicts, and opens hearts, etcetera.

In other words, I believe God the Father, in His mercy, uses Jesus Christ to light the way of every man that comes into the world (John 1:9 KJV), to draw all men to Himself (John 12:32 KJV), to open the heart (Acts 16:14 KJV), and to convict of sin by the Holy Spirit (John 16:8 KJV), enabling each person to make a genuine free-will choice to accept or reject the gospel message. You cannot freely believe or reject the gospel without God’s drawing and illumination. This is why Jesus said, “This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent” (John 6:29 KJV), which aligns with Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV. It truly is God’s work and not our own when we first believe. Our choosing God solely based on man’s will alone without God’s drawing, as in Pelagianism, is not true. The truth is that we have God-enabled free will (under God's perfect timing).

This teaching is known as "Prevenient Grace" in Arminianism, though that term can be misleading because the word "grace" implies salvation, which is not automatic in this moment of enablement. A more accurate description is "Temporary Enablement or Enlightenment." Under God’s drawing, the heart and understanding of man are opened so he can comprehend the truth of the gospel and respond in faith of his own free will. The gospel message of salvation is believing that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. Paul wrote, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth” Granted, once we are saved by the gospel message, I also believe that the gospel calls us to live a holy life. God has chosen us to salvation through the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, setting us apart to walk in holiness (See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 KJV). For God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12 KJV).




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This is new one free will gifts to enable your free will at set times in your life, and did his enabling grace of free will in you Let you know this. Because in effect your saying he is enabling your flesh, as the will of the flesh is the will of man, but not only that if he's enabling your flesh he must be giving you a glorified body.

I just wonder you know how is salvation not automatic ?

I mean last I heard being filled with the holy spirit means your sealed from that day on

Then there's another problem with your idea. Enabling grace means your only given the right option, where as free will means you can choose what you want.

So im thinking God is saving you with his grace but you get to choose whether or not it's worthy by your flesh ?

Because free will lives in the flesh.

Then there's another problem what happens to the prick in there conscience delivered to the unsaved by God, that tells people there wrong doing everyday., does that only get switched on only when God enables your free will in the flesh

 

[NightTwister]

First, unless you provide a post number, I am not going to go through thousands of pages within this thread just to find out what you actually believe when you can just easily tell me. If you are feeling tired, or your heart is not into explaining it to me, you can have ChatGPT write it out for you. Once you get the writeup you like from ChatGPT explaining your belief the way you like, you can even save this writeup on Google docs for future inquiries by other people like myself.

Second, do you see Calvinism as offering a choice between options A, and B when it comes to choosing God?
Meaning, do you believe a person can accept or reject the gospel?
Yes, or no?

Three, Britannica says,
"choice, in philosophy, the supposed ability to freely decide between alternatives. Choice is a corollary of the traditional notion of free will, understood as the supposed power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event in or state of the universe. "

Source:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/choice

Granted, I shouldn’t need to pull out an encyclopedia for something this obvious. Anyone with a basic grasp of English understands that if only one outcome is inevitable and cannot be altered, it is not a genuine choice. Inevitability means the result will occur no matter what actions or decisions are made. A true choice requires real alternatives between two or more options and the ability to affect the outcome (like choosing between options A, and B). When no alternatives exist, the element of choice disappears entirely. Not sure why you do not seem to understand this in light of the classic understanding of Calvinism. Even if your Calvinism was different that allowed for accepting or rejecting God, you would have to at least acknowledge the classic and more popular version of Calvinism.

If you do not tell it to me straight after this post, then there is no point to continue this conversation seeing you do not want to really share your beliefs with the rest of humanity.





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I told it to you straight. Is English not your first language?

First, unless you provide a post number, I am not going to go through thousands of pages within this thread just to find out what you actually believe when you can just easily tell me. If you are feeling tired, or your heart is not into explaining it to me, you can have ChatGPT write it out for you. Once you get the writeup you like from ChatGPT explaining your belief the way you like, you can even save this writeup on Google docs for future inquiries by other people like myself.

Second, do you see Calvinism as offering a choice between options A, and B when it comes to choosing God?
Meaning, do you believe a person can accept or reject the gospel?
Yes, or no?

Three, Britannica says,
"choice, in philosophy, the supposed ability to freely decide between alternatives. Choice is a corollary of the traditional notion of free will, understood as the supposed power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event in or state of the universe. "

Source:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/choice

Granted, I shouldn’t need to pull out an encyclopedia for something this obvious. Anyone with a basic grasp of English understands that if only one outcome is inevitable and cannot be altered, it is not a genuine choice. Inevitability means the result will occur no matter what actions or decisions are made. A true choice requires real alternatives between two or more options and the ability to affect the outcome (like choosing between options A, and B). When no alternatives exist, the element of choice disappears entirely. Not sure why you do not seem to understand this in light of the classic understanding of Calvinism. Even if your Calvinism was different that allowed for accepting or rejecting God, you would have to at least acknowledge the classic and more popular version of Calvinism.

If you do not tell it to me straight after this post, then there is no point to continue this conversation seeing you do not want to really share your beliefs with the rest of humanity.





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I told it to you straight in the comment you replied to. Is English not your first language that you need to (improperly) use a dictionary?

 

[sawdust]

But...how can God truly be free if he doesn't have the power to make choices contrary to his righteous and holy nature?

Is that a serious question?

If God did contrary to right, it would mean He did wrong and that is sin. All sin lawlessness. Does sin bind or liberate?

Freedom does not exist without authority. No restraining authority produces chaos, not freedom. His own righteous character is what restrains God and in doing so it makes Him utterly free to choose whatever He pleases because whatever He pleases is always within the confines of His character.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

There is no place in the Bible that teaches [ Prevenient Grace]. God does not play games, although it seems that is what you would like to believe in order to claim that you earned your salvation by making the right choice.
Grace is not something humans can earn, nor does it enable them to earn, it is an unmerited favor, of God's goodness and love toward those who are undeserving.

It is:

• Forgiveness and salvation which was made possible by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
• A divine ability and strength to overcome sin and please God.
• It is a gift not a reward - Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast".

When God pours out His grace there is no need of a choice, it is a done deal!

My Biblical Case for Temporary Enablement or Enlightenment
(a.k.a. Prevenient Grace)
(God enabled free will)

God initiates salvation by enabling sinners to believe the gospel.
This enablement is temporary and resistible and does not guarantee salvation.
Salvation always follows belief. It never causes belief.


1. God universally enables belief

1. Christ enlightens every person
John 1:9 KJV
“…the true Light… lighteth every man that cometh into the world…”


2. Christ draws all people toward Himself
John 12:32 KJV
“…I… will draw all men unto me…”


3. The Holy Spirit convicts the world
John 16:8 KJV
“…He will reprove the world of sin…”


2. God opens hearts to hear the gospel

(Not a forced regeneration)


4. The Lord opened Lydia’s heart to respond
Acts 16:14 KJV
“And a certain woman named Lydia… whose heart the Lord opened… that she attended unto the things which were spoken…”


Summary
God opened Lydia’s heart so she could hear and understand the gospel message being preached.


Note
In Scripture, the heart is the seat of one’s mind and emotions. To “open” the heart means God grants understanding and access to truth. The wording implies illumination not control. Scripture does not say “God took possession of her heart” or anything that suggests belief was forced. Based on what we know from the rest of Scripture she would have been able to respond freely to what she understood.


3. Believing is God enabled not self produced

5. God enables belief
John 6:29 KJV
“This is the work of God that ye believe…”


6. Faith is a gift of grace not human merit
Ephesians 2:8 to 9 KJV
“…by grace are ye saved through faith… it is the gift of God…”


4. Under God enabled free will, Scripture shows belief is before salvation

Intro
After God enables the will of men to freely choose the Lord, we see the biblical pattern of belief mentioned before salvation.


7. The gospel brings salvation after belief
Romans 1:16 KJV
“…the gospel of Christ… is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth…”


8. Jesus basically says Believe and then be saved
Luke 8:12 KJV
“…lest they should believe and be saved…”


9. Paul essentially says Believe and then be saved
Acts 16:30 to 31 KJV
“…Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved…”


10. We become God’s children after believing
John 1:12 KJV
“…power to become the sons of God even to them that believe…”


11. Life comes through believing
John 20:31 KJV
“…that believing ye might have life through his name…”


5. God presents a real choice between two outcomes

12. The choice is yours
Joshua 24:15 KJV
“…Choose you this day whom ye will serve…”


13. Choose life not death
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
“…I have set before you life and death… therefore choose life…”


6. Water of Life is Offered Freely to All

14. The will of anyone is offered to freely take the water of life
Revelation 22:17 KJV
“…whosoever will let him take the water of life freely…”


7. God’s Offer of Salvation Under His Enablement Can Be Resisted

(Temporary enablement is not irresistible)


15. People resist the Holy Spirit
Acts 7:51 KJV
“…ye do always resist the Holy Ghost…”


16. People refuse saving truth
2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV
“…received not the love of the truth that they might be saved…”


17. People reject God’s call
Proverbs 1:24 to 25 KJV
“…I have called and ye refused…”


18. Jesus would save them but they would not allow it
Matthew 23:37 KJV
“…I would… and ye would not…”


19. Salvation can be neglected
Hebrews 2:3 KJV
“…if we neglect so great salvation…”


20. Some deny the Lord who bought them
2 Peter 2:1 KJV
“…denying the Lord that bought them…”


Final Takeaway From Scripture

God enables
Man believes
God saves

Always this order
Never reversed

Biblical order
“Believe and be saved…” Luke 8:12
“Believe… and thou shalt be saved…” Acts 16:31

Calvinist order
“Be saved and then believe”

These two orders cannot be reconciled.
Temporary enablement never guarantees faith.
It provides a real opportunity to believe the gospel.



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[Bible_Highlighter]

I told it to you straight. Is English not your first language?

I told it to you straight in the comment you replied to. Is English not your first language that you need to (improperly) use a dictionary?

I did not see any explanation by you.
Feel free to give me any post number you feel explains it.





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[Bible_Highlighter]

There is no place in the Bible that teaches [ Prevenient Grace]. God does not play games, although it seems that is what you would like to believe in order to claim that you earned your salvation by making the right choice.
Grace is not something humans can earn, nor does it enable them to earn, it is an unmerited favor, of God's goodness and love toward those who are undeserving.

It is:

• Forgiveness and salvation which was made possible by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
• A divine ability and strength to overcome sin and please God.
• It is a gift not a reward - Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast".

When God pours out His grace there is no need of a choice, it is a done deal!

A choice in choosing the gospel by faith is only possible by God's enablement. So man cannot boast in his faith because it is not something he could reach without God. God still needs to draw, convict, and open the heart for them to believe. Granted, it is an enablement to either accept the gospel or reject it. But the choice can only exist under God's spiritual enablement. So there is no boasting here or glory given to man's choice alone here.



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[Cameron143]

God, in His sovereignty (supreme authority), has given man the freedom to come and choose (Rev. 22:17, Matthew 11:28; Deut. 30:9; Joshua 24:15).

Yes, we have free will. I have very little patience for those who believe God made us to be nothing more than puppets.

Now write this a trillion times.

 

[GWH]

Can we really exercise MFW? Of course! Every poster on this page just did!
(Too obvious?)

 

[Cameron143]

My Biblical Case for Temporary Enablement or Enlightenment
(a.k.a. Prevenient Grace)
(God enabled free will)

God initiates salvation by enabling sinners to believe the gospel.
This enablement is temporary and resistible and does not guarantee salvation.
Salvation always follows belief. It never causes belief.


1. God universally enables belief

1. Christ enlightens every person
John 1:9 KJV
“…the true Light… lighteth every man that cometh into the world…”


2. Christ draws all people toward Himself
John 12:32 KJV
“…I… will draw all men unto me…”


3. The Holy Spirit convicts the world
John 16:8 KJV
“…He will reprove the world of sin…”


2. God opens hearts to hear the gospel

(Not a forced regeneration)


4. The Lord opened Lydia’s heart to respond
Acts 16:14 KJV
“And a certain woman named Lydia… whose heart the Lord opened… that she attended unto the things which were spoken…”


Summary
God opened Lydia’s heart so she could hear and understand the gospel message being preached.


Note
In Scripture, the heart is the seat of one’s mind and emotions. To “open” the heart means God grants understanding and access to truth. The wording implies illumination not control. Scripture does not say “God took possession of her heart” or anything that suggests belief was forced. Based on what we know from the rest of Scripture she would have been able to respond freely to what she understood.


3. Believing is God enabled not self produced

5. God enables belief
John 6:29 KJV
“This is the work of God that ye believe…”


6. Faith is a gift of grace not human merit
Ephesians 2:8 to 9 KJV
“…by grace are ye saved through faith… it is the gift of God…”


4. Under God enabled free will, Scripture shows belief is before salvation

Intro
After God enables the will of men to freely choose the Lord, we see the biblical pattern of belief mentioned before salvation.


7. The gospel brings salvation after belief
Romans 1:16 KJV
“…the gospel of Christ… is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth…”


8. Jesus basically says Believe and then be saved
Luke 8:12 KJV
“…lest they should believe and be saved…”


9. Paul essentially says Believe and then be saved
Acts 16:30 to 31 KJV
“…Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved…”


10. We become God’s children after believing
John 1:12 KJV
“…power to become the sons of God even to them that believe…”


11. Life comes through believing
John 20:31 KJV
“…that believing ye might have life through his name…”


5. God presents a real choice between two outcomes

12. The choice is yours
Joshua 24:15 KJV
“…Choose you this day whom ye will serve…”


13. Choose life not death
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
“…I have set before you life and death… therefore choose life…”


6. Water of Life is Offered Freely to All

14. The will of anyone is offered to freely take the water of life
Revelation 22:17 KJV
“…whosoever will let him take the water of life freely…”


7. God’s Offer of Salvation Under His Enablement Can Be Resisted

(Temporary enablement is not irresistible)


15. People resist the Holy Spirit
Acts 7:51 KJV
“…ye do always resist the Holy Ghost…”


16. People refuse saving truth
2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV
“…received not the love of the truth that they might be saved…”


17. People reject God’s call
Proverbs 1:24 to 25 KJV
“…I have called and ye refused…”


18. Jesus would save them but they would not allow it
Matthew 23:37 KJV
“…I would… and ye would not…”


19. Salvation can be neglected
Hebrews 2:3 KJV
“…if we neglect so great salvation…”


20. Some deny the Lord who bought them
2 Peter 2:1 KJV
“…denying the Lord that bought them…”


Final Takeaway From Scripture

God enables
Man believes
God saves

Always this order
Never reversed

Biblical order
“Believe and be saved…” Luke 8:12
“Believe… and thou shalt be saved…” Acts 16:31

Calvinist order
“Be saved and then believe”

These two orders cannot be reconciled.
Temporary enablement never guarantees faith.
It provides a real opportunity to believe the gospel.



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Calvinists don't believe as you say. Regeneration is the impartation of life, not salvation. Calvinists believe life precedes belief and belief precedes salvation.
While most Calvinists belief this all happens very close in time, they don't believe it does so necessarily. There are testimonies of saints who were long under conviction before surrendering to Christ.
Further, no Calvinist believes that any individual believes against their will. They believe that God in the impartation of life and the granting of a new heart willingly receive the love of God in Christ Jesus.

 

[Believer08]

That s nice can you think of any other reason he created man.

Yes, but that was not the question. At least, if it was, I didn’t read the part that said you must describe the reasons why God made man. Even then, there’d be someone that could point out the same as you did to me, stating what you did and listing other reasons that you didn’t. However, the title was about free will, and that’s what I responded to. Sorry you didn’t like my answer.

 

[BillyBob]

No, your not understanding Psalm 107. They cried out unto God and He delivered them.
It was not God who decided to regenerate their heart at random that caused their deliverance based on no reason.
That is what is silly about Calvinism.

This is a remembrance of what God does for His people. Our God is described as being longsuffering. His people are not perfect, but He chose them in spite of this.
Even those who belong to Him continue to sin. And, when things go wrong, they cry out to the Lord for help.
We all sin and should be thankful that our God is longsuffering! This is what gets us back on the right path.

 

[Jordon]

Yes, but that was not the question. At least, if it was, I didn’t read the part that said you must describe the reasons why God made man. Even then, there’d be someone that could point out the same as you did to me, stating what you did and listing other reasons that you didn’t. However, the title was about free will, and that’s what I responded to. Sorry you didn’t like my answer.

Your free to talk about what ever you like, that's because you have freedom of thought,

No one can take away your freedom of thought if that's what your concerned about m,

But the the free will of man is the will of the flesh. Your soul is what gets saved.

It's your soul that gets saved m not your will of the flesh or your choice.

Just guiding you here, God doesn't save the will of the flesh or choice, he saves your soul. Your soul needs the light of the lord where as the will of the flesh need discipline daily denial and the active will of God to keep it under control m.

Your soul is precious to the lord, but God holds no value to the will of the flesh.
Your soul longs for the lord where as your brain imagines all sorts m

the best things are said when you say nothing at all, because people who love you can see the real you, and no doubt sometimes when you make a choice, you know that's not real to you Either

 

[NightTwister]

I did not see any explanation by you.
Feel free to give me any post number you feel explains it..

God's chosen are made spiritually alive, their faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, they believe (a choice) and are given eternal life.

 

[cv5]

God's chosen are made spiritually alive, their faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, they believe (a choice) and are given eternal life.

The lawyers of Jesus day could rattle off mindless biblically illiterate dogma too. And it was equally useless.

Gen 32:26
And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.

Psa 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.