Only those that have blood . Angels do not have blood . ( life of the flesh is in the blood )
Calvinists are preaching a false message .
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We are not saved by the atonement. So its not limited . This may confuse you because some think they were saved 2000 years ago when it took place .
Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)
Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).
The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)
The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)
What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)
Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)
Salvation is eternally secured by the sealing of the spirit, not “election.” (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22)
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All those that are justified, God vouchsafeth, in and for His only Son Jesus Christ, to make partakers of the grace of adoptiona) by which they are taken into the number, and enjoy the liberties and privileges of the children of God,(b) have His name put upon them,(c) receive the spirit of adoption,(d) have access to the throne of grace with boldness,(e) are enabled to cry, Abba, Father,(f) are pitied,(g) protected,(h) provided for,(i) and chastened by Him as by a Father;(k) yet never cast off,(l) but sealed to the day of redemption,(m) and inherit the promises,
as heirs of everlasting salvation.(o)
(a) Eph. 1:5.
(b) Gal. 4:4, 5; Rom. 8:17; John 1:12.
(c) Jer. 14:9; II Cor. 6:18; Rev. 3:12.
(d) Rom. 8:15.
(e) Eph. 3:12; Rom. 5:2.
(f) Gal. 4:6.
(g) Ps. 103:13.
(h) Prov. 14:26.
(i) Matt. 6:30, 32; I Pet. 5:7.
(k) Heb. 12:6.
(l) Lam. 3:31.
(m) Eph. 4:30.
(o) I Pet. 1:3, 4; Heb. 1:14.
You can't be a son in someones else's family unless they adopt you... So when we cease being sons of darkness God adopt us into his family...It's not rocket science. If you are saying you are not adopted then you can't be God's son.
We are being transformed into the image of Jesus now and will be conformed into the image of Jesus when we are glorified. But we are just splitting hairs here. The real problem that I can see with your theology is you say that you will not be adopted until glorified.
The future adoption is so certain that now I can be called a son of God. Scripture defines the adoption as the redemption of our bodies. It is a future occurrence at the resurrection.
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Praise God its 'According ' as verse 3 says and that after we get in christ then we are predestined to the Adoption which is future event for the believer. Rom 8.23
From Ephesians 1:4-6
you are a little confrontational and you are a bit hmmm, chronologically and speaking of things that both the death and resurrection of Christ did.
The gospel message is the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ not the message of "election".
many have elitcized "election" to be more about selection which is God chose this one but not that one or He has chosen me but not you. Very dangerous doctrine. The issue with it is NO ONE knows who God will choose Until they have Been saved. SO stay out of Gods decision making and just speak the Gospel message Peter, Paul , John, and the Apostles preached
" who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
This same Jesus who died, was buried, and rose again has told each of US to Preach the message of an election?
NO! Jesus said you are to go and preach the gospel to every person and I will give you the power to be a witness of the election or the elect? NO!
Our witness is of HIM! His death His burial, His resurrection, Our repentance, His salvation our forgiveness, His eternal, our faith in HIm and the message to all to receive what we claim to have by grace through faith.
FYI I did say a lot more than just that LOL.
"Election" is biblical because it is in the Bible, We can't deny that because one disagrees with how it has been applied. The teaching(doctrine) of it has some issues, but the teaching is very much biblical.
No, angels cannot be saved by the shed blood of Christ, nor is it offered to them.
The Lord left heaven and was born as a human being so that He could be kinned to us in order to represent us. We were dead in our sins, but the Lord lived a perfect life in the flesh without sinning, met the righteous requirements of the law, took upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves and paid the penalty for sin by the shedding of His blood. Now, we who are also flesh, when we believed were credited with the righteousness of Christ. The Law has been fulfilled, God's wrath for sin has been satisfied and righteous untainted blood has been shed which is the reward for sin. When God sees the believer, He sees the righteousness of Christ.
In regards to the angels, they created as spiritual beings and were already in the presence of God. Therefore, what faith could they have, if they already saw the glory of God and His heaven, which was their abode? Not only that, but Jesus became a man in order to represent mankind, how could He do to represent the angels? He would have to have become like one of them in order to represent them as well.
Scripture states that 'faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." Since the angels already saw God, His glory and heaven and dwelt there themselves, what could they possibly have faith in? After they had close relation with God, they rebelled.
Therefore, salvation is not limited to angels, but is just not offered to them.
I haven't been on here in months, when I left you were creating thread after thread attacking "calvinists". I see nothing has changed.
I haven't been on for several weeks either. I'm attacking Calvinism not people. Ironically when you address the anti gospel system of Calvinism ,people attack you personally . Very odd . Let's attack false systems please and not individuals. I would appreciate.I haven't been on here in months, when I left you were creating thread after thread attacking "calvinists". I see nothing has changed.
If you have an argument against what I preach thats a absolutely fine . You can even hate what I preach ,but is it necessary to attack the person ?I haven't been on here in months, when I left you were creating thread after thread attacking "calvinists". I see nothing has changed.
that helpsI haven't been on here in months, when I left you were creating thread after thread attacking "calvinists". I see nothing has changed.
You're not attacking people? Ummm, maybe you should re-read the title of your thread, here i'll copy and paste it for you: Calvinists are preaching a false message .
Are calvinists not people?
Calvinists ( ists ) are preaching a false Gospel . Thats Just logical . If I believe Calvinism ( ism ) is utterly false then its obvious that there followers are preaching a false message. There is nothing personal there . No character attacks. No personal attacks .You're not attacking people? Ummm, maybe you should re-read the title of your thread, here i'll copy and paste it for you: Calvinists are preaching a false message .
Are calvinists not people?
You're not attacking people? Ummm, maybe you should re-read the title of your thread, here i'll copy and paste it for you: Calvinists are preaching a false message .
Are Calvinists not people?
This is a valid point. a Calvinist is a person who holds to the doctrine of calivinism. I think the understanding there are extremes in any sect or group of believers who hold to teaching closely than others do. One can not blanket all based on the few no more than Calvinist should do the same to those who do not hold to the Calvin doctrine.