No, we're saved by grace, faith is the consequence of salvation, not the cause.
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8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Through Faith means that we must have faith before the Grace is granted. And yet we can also say that the Faith itself is a gift of Grace. So it all points to the Grace of God but never are we saved without Faith.
We have a member here who formerly exhibited poor behavior.
We were able to instruct her in some doctrines, Scripture, edification, and she turned around bearing joy, repentance and a sweet spirit. Her change was very good to see.
But (and of course there is a "but" right?)
Several here began to insult her, belittle her, attack and bully her for her new found joy, actions, sweet spirit, fruit, and one of her friends encouraging her was insulted as well.
That is how they reacted. Instead of rejoicing with her, they played the eldest son, and you're engaged with one of them.
Faith is a gift obtained from God by divine allotment, 2 Peter 2:1.
Grace isn't granted for any reason to man, it is unmerited, it isn't given because we had "faith" which would be merit. So I totally disagree with your take with all due respect.
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That’s not the HS talking to you, I am not sure who it is
Jesus promised me eternal life not conditional, he does not go back on his promises,
but hey, if you think your righteous, well feel free..
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Yep, many people had faith and lived many years of faith and due to some circumstance, became week in faith and became prodigal children
god loved them as much. He chastened th am, and in the end they came back. But many do Not make it back before death
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Whatever works for you to live a holy life. Just beware if at anytime your doctrine is allowing you to have pet sins.
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I already addressed that scripture that you falsely use against me.
If you are suggesting that the scripture is wrong to say that a born again believer stops sinning than I'll believe the Bible over you.
Disregard and twist those scriptures all you want.
I choose to let the scripture speak to me and change me whatever the cost.
That's exactly right.
I will agree that it is a hard doctrine, and it was rejected by most of God's born again children back when Jesus taught it.
John 6:60, Many therefore of his disciples, when they heard this, said, this is an hard saying, who can hear it?
Some people are hard headed enough to stick with a false doctrine that they have been taught, even if it does not harmonize with all of the other scriptures. You call it twisting the scriptures. I call it harmonizing the scriptures.
Correct me if I am wrong
You believe if a person accepting the Lord, and he backslash, he will repent.
And if he not, mean he never accepted the Lord. Am I correct?
And you don't believe 1 Cor 6:9-11 is true, you believe drunkenness not go to hell as long as he believe Jesus is God. Am I correct?
Do you believe 1 cor 6:9-11 the word of God?
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
I'll be hard headed in the truth.
I was taught by the scriptures through the wisdom given to me by the Holy Ghost.
You've not understood me my brother.
Not sure what you mean by "accepted the Lord." Who is man to "accept" Him? WE are accepted in Christ by God, not the reverse, Ephesians 1.
I see no language in the bible asking a man to "accept" the Lord, instead they are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel, salvation isn't by deciding via our will, John 1:13.
The "accept" Jesus message is a feeble, weak, truncated man made "gospel" that offends no one. It isn't Bible. Bottom line? We are either truly converted, or we are not.
Not sure how you came up with I don't believe 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 is true when I defended it as truth, and warned another person professing to be a believer using that very text against his announced practice of fornication and drunkenness, telling him to not be deceived. They that practice this are not truly converted. Of course I believe that passage, I believe all of Scripture.
Ok my brother, to me believe in Jesus mean accepted that Jesus is God.
Seem to me if a man converted, he no longer drunk or kill or steal. Am I correct?
Do you believe the converted man change his mind and back to kill or drunk?
Let me correct my question
Do you believe converted man may change his mind and back to drunk?
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith
grace in the Greek is probably instrumental case (dative case ending)
"through" is the Greek preposition "dia"
I am not sure that a study of the Greek wording here adds much to what the English says about it.
So with only this verse there are going to be various ways to explain it. But I do not think this verse says that faith is a "consequence" of salvation. But if one begins with the doctrine of Calvinism, then one is forced to interpret the text in a certain way.
Micaiah-imla,
Are you saying there is a Scripture that says that a "born again believer stops sinning"?
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