Bread used for Communion

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It appears that Jesus went to the cross as unleavened bread (John 8:29,
2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22, and 1John 3:9) but died as leavened bread.
(Isa 53:6)
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Webers.Home said:
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It appears that Jesus went to the cross as unleavened bread (John 8:29,
2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22, and 1John 3:9) but died as leavened bread.
(Isa 53:6)
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On Him, not in Him

Isaiah 53:6 KJV
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
 
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It's very easy to prove Jesus biologically related to David, and if David then
of course Adam. So; seeing as how Jesus was biologically related to Adam,
then shouldn't the two verses below apply to him as well as to the rest of
Adam's posterity?

● Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned

● Rom 5:19 . .Through the disobedience of the one man, the many were
made sinners.
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Webers.Home said:
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It's very easy to prove Jesus biologically related to David, and if David then
of course Adam. So; seeing as how Jesus was biologically related to Adam,
then shouldn't the two verses below apply to him as well as to the rest of
Adam's posterity?

● Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned

● Rom 5:19 . .Through the disobedience of the one man, the many were
made sinners.
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Only if the sin nature was passed on my man.
 
Our puny brain cannot fathom, that Jesus Christ was God on earth.

Proverbs 29:18 KJV
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
Matthew 16:15-17 KJV
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
 
Sipsey said:
In addition, I thought there was a rule against consuming blood.
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That's a good point really. If the body and blood are literally present, then a person consumes blood every time they take communion. If they do this, they must then demonstrate that the decisions made at the Jerusalem Council are now void. But if they do that, it means Gentiles are no longer obligated to avoid fornication or idolatry. Quite a predicament.
 
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So the dietary laws are back? No pork, or shrimp, no rare steaks? If the ceremonial laws are still in place Christ himself is of no affect, that would be blaspheme.

The transfer of blood from one to the other via marriage in the consumation of marriage makings it a blood covenant.
Note the word consumation.

Marriage is yet another picture of Christ and the church, that we are in a blood covenant with Christ. We consume his body and blood via wine and bread.
 
Locoponydirtman said:
So the dietary laws are back? No pork, or shrimp, no rare steaks? If the ceremonial laws are still in place Christ himself is of no affect, that would be blaspheme.

The transfer of blood from one to the other via marriage in the consumation of marriage makings it a blood covenant.
Note the word consumation.

Marriage is yet another picture of Christ and the church, that we are in a blood covenant with Christ. We consume his body and blood via wine and bread.
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That makes absolutely no sense and does nothing to address the restrictions of the Jerusalem Council placed on consuming blood.
 
I know i can not change anyones mind. So this is pointless. I have said all i can say on the matter. You will not dissuade, me. I can not perssuade you.
On this matter there will remain division, which is why our church will always habe closed communion
 
Locoponydirtman said:
I know i can not change anyones mind. So this is pointless. I have said all i can say on the matter. You will not dissuade, me. I can not perssuade you.
On this matter there will remain division, which is why our church will always habe closed communion
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I'm not trying to persuade you of anything; I'm just asking what seem to me important questions. Not asking you specifically, just thinking out loud as it were.
 
Locoponydirtman said:
So the dietary laws are back? No pork, or shrimp, no rare steaks? If the ceremonial laws are still in place Christ himself is of no affect, that would be blaspheme.

The transfer of blood from one to the other via marriage in the consumation of marriage makings it a blood covenant.
Note the word consumation.

Marriage is yet another picture of Christ and the church, that we are in a blood covenant with Christ. We consume his body and blood via wine and bread.
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Are you saying that the breaking of the hymen constitutes drinking blood?
 
Locoponydirtman said:
And that is why its so difficult for people to accept the real presence of Christ in his feast.
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Not only Christ in his feast…..

- Also Angels,
- General assembly
- God
- spirits of just men
- Jesus the mediator
- the blood of sprinkling

Hebrews 12:22-24 KJV
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
[23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
[24] And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Christ is in us by His Holy Spirit.
Not by the loaf of bread and the cup/fruit of the vine,
they are the tokens of remembrance.
John 14:16-17 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
 
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● Matt 26:26 . . And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it,
and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said: Take, eat; this is my
body.

Jesus' body is in a different condition now than it was on the night he broke
the bread, At that time his body was mortal, whereas today it's immortal. At
that time his body was natural, whereas today it's supernatural. When folks
partake of the bread element (a.k.a. species) in which of his body's
conditions are they supposed to be eating; it's natural mortal condition or its
supernatural immortal condition?
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Webers.Home said:
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● Matt 26:26 . . And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it,
and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said: Take, eat; this is my
body.

Jesus' body is in a different condition now than it was on the night he broke
the bread, At that time his body was mortal, whereas today it's immortal. At
that time his body was natural, whereas today it's supernatural. When folks
partake of the bread element (a.k.a. species) in which of his body's
conditions are they supposed to be eating; it's natural mortal condition or its
supernatural immortal condition?
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Interesting question
 
1 Corinthians 11:24 KJV
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
 
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