Blasphemy against holyspirit

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Such decision may be called repudiation of faith or apostasy in order to distinguish it from accidentally losing salvation.
If one loses their salvation, I can assure you that it is an intentional decision.
 
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Do you want me to give a theological standpoint? I am an Armenian, although, I am not a traditionalist meaning that I do not believe it is easy to lose salvation, one can choose to walk away. I am not a calvinist, however, because I do not believe that people were pre-selected and did not have a choice of whether they would be saved or not. I believe that instead, each person has free will and God simply knows who will be saved without any manipulation or control.
The original Church unanimously believed in "free will" - that men are given the choice of whom they will serve but that God coordinates His plan though divine foreknowledge of human choices. The idea that human beings are TOTALLY UNABLE TO make ANY CHOICE was imported into Christian terminology from Gnostic Manichaeism primarily by Augustine of Hippo the so-called "father of the (Western) Catholic Church. Those who taught before Bishop Augustine did not accept any part of TULIP nor does the Eastern Church accept Augustine as a leader in the Church
 
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The original Church unanimously believed in "free will" - that men are given the choice of whom they will serve but that God coordinates His plan though divine foreknowledge of human choices. The idea that human beings are TOTALLY UNABLE TO make ANY CHOICE was imported into Christian terminology from Gnostic Manichaeism primarily by Augustine of Hippo the so-called "father of the (Western) Catholic Church. Those who taught before Bishop Augustine did not accept any part of TULIP nor does the Eastern Church accept Augustine as a leader in the Church
My fallible memory of my study of Augustine is that he was one of those who avoided TULIP by saying that God presents the elect only with those options that He foreknows they will "freely" choose leading to saving faith, but that ruse did NOT affirm Scripture teaching divine love for all including the non-elect--so no cigar.
 
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The original Church unanimously believed in "free will" - that men are given the choice of whom they will serve but that God coordinates His plan though divine foreknowledge of human choices. The idea that human beings are TOTALLY UNABLE TO make ANY CHOICE was imported into Christian terminology from Gnostic Manichaeism primarily by Augustine of Hippo the so-called "father of the (Western) Catholic Church. Those who taught before Bishop Augustine did not accept any part of TULIP nor does the Eastern Church accept Augustine as a leader in the Church
It was not just Augustine, and I agree with many of the things Augustine teaches - However, Tertullian teaches that one can lose salvation, Hermas in 80 AD affirms it, Justin Martyr affirms it, Iraneus affirms it - these are the early church fathers you are saying affirm your position, yet they all believed that one could lose their salvation if they departed from the faith.
 
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What we have here is daily service passages vs initial eternal salvation verses. Context is key to determine which.

For eg.. in Hebrews 10.26..'there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins'
It was not just Augustine, and I agree with many of the things Augustine teaches - However, Tertullian teaches that one can lose salvation, Hermas in 80 AD affirms it, Justin Martyr affirms it, Iraneus affirms it - these are the early church fathers you are saying affirm your position, yet they all believed that one could lose their salvation if they departed from the faith.
The Early Church Fathers believed that Christians could lose their salvation. That was consistent with their belief that we must continue in faith to inherit eternal life.
 
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The Early Church Fathers believed that Christians could lose their salvation. That was consistent with their belief that we must continue in faith to inherit eternal life.
Whoops, I guess that's why I ought to wear my glasses when I read! I totally misread a few words and kind of changed the way I posted, but yes, I agree that the early Church fathers along with you that one could walk away from salvation.
 
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My fallible memory of my study of Augustine is that he was one of those who avoided TULIP by saying that God presents the elect only with those options that He foreknows they will "freely" choose leading to saving faith, but that ruse did NOT affirm Scripture teaching divine love for all including the non-elect--so no cigar.
Augustine's belief in God's absolute control of all things - including the desires and will make him a determinist. This is not what those before him taught:
1. This expression [of our Lord], ‘How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not,’ set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning, possessing his own power, even as he does his own soul, to obey the behests (ad utendum sententia) of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God. For there is no coercion with God, but a good will [towards us] is present with Him continually. And therefore does He give good counsel to all. And in man, as well as in angels, He has placed the power of choice (for angels are rational beings), so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselves. On the other hand, they who have not obeyed shall, with justice, be not found in possession of the good, and shall receive condign punishment: for God did kindly bestow on them what was good;
(Irenaeus, Against Heresies, book 4, chapter 37, paragraphs 1 – 7)
 
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It was not just Augustine, and I agree with many of the things Augustine teaches - However, Tertullian teaches that one can lose salvation, Hermas in 80 AD affirms it, Justin Martyr affirms it, Iraneus affirms it - these are the early church fathers you are saying affirm your position, yet they all believed that one could lose their salvation if they departed from the faith.
Tertullian was not the only one who believed we must CONTINUE in the faith to be saved, They ALL did. The idea that we could live in perpetual sin and still enter glory was not according the teaching of Jesus Himself:

45 But suppose that servant says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and he begins to beat the menservants and maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk. 46The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate. Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
(Luke 12:45-46)
This servant began as a follower of Jesus began to rebel and walk in sin. As a consequence he was re-assigned to a different end
 
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It was not just Augustine, and I agree with many of the things Augustine teaches - However, Tertullian teaches that one can lose salvation, Hermas in 80 AD affirms it, Justin Martyr affirms it, Iraneus affirms it - these are the early church fathers you are saying affirm your position, yet they all believed that one could lose their salvation if they departed from the faith.
Augustine's deterministic theology came from his ten year association with the Gnostic cult of Manichaeism. When he first converted to Christianity he dispensed with those things teaching instead the traditional teachings of Christianity which held to libertine human free will and to God's guiding through divine foreknowledge. These had no part whatsoever in Augustine's later teaching that everything is pre-determined and hence were foreign to the entire theology of TULIP. Augustine continued his importation of MANICHAEAN theology by inventing Original Sin which he did by MISreading Romans 5:12 in out of corrupt Latin texts instead of the original Greek since he could not read Greek. I have always imagined how much he would have learned had he journeyed across the sea and consulted with someone who understood, read and wrote Greek as their native language. I am talking about the Greatest Preacher of the Third Century, John Chrysostom, Bishop of Constantinople
 
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My fallible memory of my study of Augustine is that he was one of those who avoided TULIP by saying that God presents the elect only with those options that He foreknows they will "freely" choose leading to saving faith, but that ruse did NOT affirm Scripture teaching divine love for all including the non-elect--so no cigar.
There was very little difference between Augustine's doctrine and that of Luther, Calvin and the other Reformers who read him extensively and whose doctrines originated in Augustine
 
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There was very little difference between Augustine's doctrine and that of Luther, Calvin and the other Reformers who read him extensively and whose doctrines originated in Augustine
Yes, doctrines that excluded divine omnilove and justness,
hence disagreement on CC regarding election.
 
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No one will share such a testimony because the unpardonable sin of blasphemy is intentionally repudiating saving faith in Jesus or reverting to faith in atheism/Satanism per HB 6:4-6.
Blasphemy means to speak evil of. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit means to speak against or speak evil of the Holy Spirit. The passage in Matthew even offers alternative wording, "shall speak against the Holy Spirit", which is good for those who do not know the definition of 'blasphemy.
 
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Blasphemy means to speak evil of. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit means to speak against or speak evil of the Holy Spirit. The passage in Matthew even offers alternative wording, "shall speak against the Holy Spirit", which is good for those who do not know the definition of 'blasphemy.
Yes, and Heb.6:4-6 indicates that apostasy or a believer repudiating saving faith is the unforgiveable form
of speaking against the HS: tantamount to recrucifying Christ.