If one loses their salvation, I can assure you that it is an intentional decision.Such decision may be called repudiation of faith or apostasy in order to distinguish it from accidentally losing salvation.
If one loses their salvation, I can assure you that it is an intentional decision.Such decision may be called repudiation of faith or apostasy in order to distinguish it from accidentally losing salvation.
If one loses their salvation, I can assure you that it is an intentional decision.
Do you want me to give a theological standpoint? I am an Armenian, although, I am not a traditionalist meaning that I do not believe it is easy to lose salvation, one can choose to walk away. I am not a calvinist, however, because I do not believe that people were pre-selected and did not have a choice of whether they would be saved or not. I believe that instead, each person has free will and God simply knows who will be saved without any manipulation or control.
The original Church unanimously believed in "free will" - that men are given the choice of whom they will serve but that God coordinates His plan though divine foreknowledge of human choices. The idea that human beings are TOTALLY UNABLE TO make ANY CHOICE was imported into Christian terminology from Gnostic Manichaeism primarily by Augustine of Hippo the so-called "father of the (Western) Catholic Church. Those who taught before Bishop Augustine did not accept any part of TULIP nor does the Eastern Church accept Augustine as a leader in the Church
It was not just Augustine, and I agree with many of the things Augustine teaches - However, Tertullian teaches that one can lose salvation, Hermas in 80 AD affirms it, Justin Martyr affirms it, Iraneus affirms it - these are the early church fathers you are saying affirm your position, yet they all believed that one could lose their salvation if they departed from the faith.The original Church unanimously believed in "free will" - that men are given the choice of whom they will serve but that God coordinates His plan though divine foreknowledge of human choices. The idea that human beings are TOTALLY UNABLE TO make ANY CHOICE was imported into Christian terminology from Gnostic Manichaeism primarily by Augustine of Hippo the so-called "father of the (Western) Catholic Church. Those who taught before Bishop Augustine did not accept any part of TULIP nor does the Eastern Church accept Augustine as a leader in the Church
What we have here is daily service passages vs initial eternal salvation verses. Context is key to determine which.
For eg.. in Hebrews 10.26..'there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins'
It was not just Augustine, and I agree with many of the things Augustine teaches - However, Tertullian teaches that one can lose salvation, Hermas in 80 AD affirms it, Justin Martyr affirms it, Iraneus affirms it - these are the early church fathers you are saying affirm your position, yet they all believed that one could lose their salvation if they departed from the faith.
Whoops, I guess that's why I ought to wear my glasses when I read! I totally misread a few words and kind of changed the way I posted, but yes, I agree that the early Church fathers along with you that one could walk away from salvation.The Early Church Fathers believed that Christians could lose their salvation. That was consistent with their belief that we must continue in faith to inherit eternal life.
My fallible memory of my study of Augustine is that he was one of those who avoided TULIP by saying that God presents the elect only with those options that He foreknows they will "freely" choose leading to saving faith, but that ruse did NOT affirm Scripture teaching divine love for all including the non-elect--so no cigar.
Tertullian was not the only one who believed we must CONTINUE in the faith to be saved, They ALL did. The idea that we could live in perpetual sin and still enter glory was not according the teaching of Jesus Himself:It was not just Augustine, and I agree with many of the things Augustine teaches - However, Tertullian teaches that one can lose salvation, Hermas in 80 AD affirms it, Justin Martyr affirms it, Iraneus affirms it - these are the early church fathers you are saying affirm your position, yet they all believed that one could lose their salvation if they departed from the faith.
It was not just Augustine, and I agree with many of the things Augustine teaches - However, Tertullian teaches that one can lose salvation, Hermas in 80 AD affirms it, Justin Martyr affirms it, Iraneus affirms it - these are the early church fathers you are saying affirm your position, yet they all believed that one could lose their salvation if they departed from the faith.
There was very little difference between Augustine's doctrine and that of Luther, Calvin and the other Reformers who read him extensively and whose doctrines originated in AugustineMy fallible memory of my study of Augustine is that he was one of those who avoided TULIP by saying that God presents the elect only with those options that He foreknows they will "freely" choose leading to saving faith, but that ruse did NOT affirm Scripture teaching divine love for all including the non-elect--so no cigar.
There was very little difference between Augustine's doctrine and that of Luther, Calvin and the other Reformers who read him extensively and whose doctrines originated in Augustine
Blasphemy means to speak evil of. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit means to speak against or speak evil of the Holy Spirit. The passage in Matthew even offers alternative wording, "shall speak against the Holy Spirit", which is good for those who do not know the definition of 'blasphemy.No one will share such a testimony because the unpardonable sin of blasphemy is intentionally repudiating saving faith in Jesus or reverting to faith in atheism/Satanism per HB 6:4-6.
Blasphemy means to speak evil of. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit means to speak against or speak evil of the Holy Spirit. The passage in Matthew even offers alternative wording, "shall speak against the Holy Spirit", which is good for those who do not know the definition of 'blasphemy.
We can't ignore the meaning of passages to reconcile them.Yes, and Heb.6:4-6 indicates that apostasy or a believer repudiating saving faith is the unforgiveable form
of speaking against the HS: tantamount to recrucifying Christ.
We can't ignore the meaning of passages to reconcile them.
Some people don't know what 'blasphemy' means, and aren't familiar with the Greek word that means something like slander or villify. But there is alternate wording in the very passage in Matthew 12
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. (NKJV)
If someone doesn't know what 'blaspheme' means, then it says in verse 32 'who speaks a word against Him.' Notice Jesus said in verse 32 'anyone'--and does not limit it to someone who has full knowledge. Christ's opponents in the passage do not believe in Him. It's not like they have the knowledge of God.
Look at the accusation these Pharisees had leveled against the Spirit by Whom Christ had cast out devils, the Holy Spirit.
24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
(NKJV)
Have a look at Mark 3 also.
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”
Hoti, in Greek, translated 'gar' in verse 30 is evidence that what follows explains what comes before. It can be translated 'for', 'because' or 'since. The warning against blaspheming the Holy Spirit is logically connected to their accusation of the Spirit recorded in verse 30.
Did I miss where you reconciled MT 12:31, etc. with HB 6:4-6?
Did we all miss where you failed to recognise Matt.12 are unbelievers and Heb.6 are believers? You are trying to compare apples and oranges.
No, but you missed/failed to recognize where Jesus told unbelievers to repent, seek and be saved.
What's that got to do with unbelievers blaspheming the Holy Spirit? You seem to be having trouble with context.![]()