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Locoponydirtman
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It is a heresy called montanism. It was refuted via council in the second century ad. It's kind of interesting how the same heresies keep reiterating themselves.
Bible versions-Is there only one?
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There's nothing NEW being revealed in the KJV. I never said there was, I said the KJV gives more revelation because by translating certain words the way they did, it helps ENGLISH SPEAKERS understand the passages better.
If you're accusing me of montanism then you're not following what I'm saying.
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Locoponydirtman
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I don't think the following statements from the King James version of the Bible will help anyone to understand anything.
- And Jacob sod pottage (Gen 25:29)
- And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke (Exo. 19:18)
- Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (Ps. 5:6)
- I trow not (Luke 17:9)
- We do you to wit of the grace of God (2 Cor. 8:1)
- Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels (2 Cor. 6:12)
- He who letteth will let (2 Thes 2:7)
- The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd (Eccles. 12:11)
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Locoponydirtman
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So other English translation have done a better job of translating those particular passages?
Why do you think we have concordances and lexicons?
Also, you might want to dig up some doozies from the modern versions which do not make sense. Check out the omission of Acts 8:37 for starters. Also the omission of hundreds of other words or phrases.
Your best bet is to let the bible be it's own dictionary. When you run across words with low usage, look those up in a middle English dictionary.
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Locoponydirtman
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I will probably leave the library at home when I'm out witnessing, or on a home visitation, or hospital visitation.
Job 15
26 He runneth upon him, even on his neck, upon the thick bosses of his bucklers:
27 Because he covereth his face with his fatness, and maketh collops of fat on his flanks.
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Locoponydirtman
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NASB has
Jacob cooked stew.
All in smoke
Destroy those who speak falsehood
Luke 17:9 (NASB95): He does not thank the slave because he did the things which were commanded, does he?
2 Corinthians 8:1 (NASB95): Now, brethren, we wish to make known to you the grace of God which has been given in the churches of Macedonia
2 Corinthians 6:12 (NASB95): You are not restrained by us, but you are restrained in your own affections.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NASB95): For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
Ecclesiastes 12:11 (NASB95): The words of wise men are like goads, and masters of these collections are like well-driven nails; they are given by one Shepherd.
(Which don't help much on this one. )
1 Samuel 25:22 (NASB95): May God do so to the enemies of David, and more also, if by morning I leave as much as one male of any who belong to him.”
As opposed to
So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
1 Samuel 25:22 KJV
Jacob cooked stew.
All in smoke
Destroy those who speak falsehood
Luke 17:9 (NASB95): He does not thank the slave because he did the things which were commanded, does he?
2 Corinthians 8:1 (NASB95): Now, brethren, we wish to make known to you the grace of God which has been given in the churches of Macedonia
2 Corinthians 6:12 (NASB95): You are not restrained by us, but you are restrained in your own affections.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NASB95): For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
Ecclesiastes 12:11 (NASB95): The words of wise men are like goads, and masters of these collections are like well-driven nails; they are given by one Shepherd.
(Which don't help much on this one. )
1 Samuel 25:22 (NASB95): May God do so to the enemies of David, and more also, if by morning I leave as much as one male of any who belong to him.”
As opposed to
So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
1 Samuel 25:22 KJV
Are you trying to say that Nabal and his men weren't pissing against the wall? Pissing against the wall is a figure of speech showing the absolute total disdain for David's mercy and his protection. David was The Wall... he's a picture of Christ.
Pissing against the wall has nothing to do with being a man.
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Locoponydirtman
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It's a hard feat for a woman to do so.
So ya recon God is in the habit of using obscene idioms?
I'll look further into this one. It seems out of place for God to use such a phrase. That would open up a whole new as to what language is appropriate.
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Locoponydirtman
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(1 Samuel 25:22, KJV). “It came to pass, when [Zimri] began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.
Here does not seem to be any disdain for David. (As this ain't about David) here it just seems to be men. So I'm not buying the vulgar idiom, as disdain for David thing.
The texts saying this have zero to do with David being King, a wall being a type of Christ. I believe this was used 6 times in that version.
Part of the issue is this terminology was also used as a phrase when David had long passed. Note 2 Kings 9:8.
Culturally, from what I’ve read, it refers to male children. Adults would in this culture sit to do this, not stand exposed. The texts using this phrase are literally saying that those it is referring to are under judgment, their male children will not make it to adulthood. But, KJVOnlyism comes up with many absurd interpretations, failing to heed 2 Timothy 2:15.
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Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. As the Kings Speech which hee uttered in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian and Latine, is still the Kings Speech, though it be not interpreted by every Translator with the like grace, nor peradventure so fitly for phrase, nor so expresly for sence, every where.
- preface to the 1611 king James translation
Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Taanslations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us. For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause?
- preface to the 1611 king James translation