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so Trumps idea that we should cross out freedom of religion shouldn't be a new one on ya.
i think the abortion issue has a lot to do with why so many believers don't see anyone but a Republican as even a possible choice. but then, what, 50 years of electing them? and we still have abortion. Republicans, for their part, i think kind of just say "yeah i am against abortion" and that automatically gets them the whole Bible Belt's vote. whether they are actually going to do anything about it or not is a different story. so to me, that's not a good reason to eliminate all other possible candidates - because i don't think we're ever going to overturn Roe v. Wade. i'm very much pro-life too, but i just doubt that as a nation - which is secular - we're going to renig on that. plenty of people from the R column have been elected, for plenty of years, without doing anything about it. and dismantling planned parenthood - which does more than just abortion - isn't repealing R v W - it's just sending people who are going to get abortions anyway somewhere else. honestly incentivizing adoption would be a better thing to do - but who's going to do that? i haven't heard. it sounds like a socialist kind of thing to do, lol.
so there's this attitude - like over the last couple pages - "yeah i like Kasich, i could really support him. but he's not going to even be on the ballot" - and then, whether you like Trump at all or not, he's automatically your vote, because he's in the R column. that, to me, is insane - that you would vote for someone you don't agree with at all, just because he's in some party.
i don't like the Democratic party. i like socialized medicine, i like making college more affordable, i like reigning in the power of wall street and mega-corporations, i like campaign finance reform, i like keeping the US out of war, and i like social equality and programs that help the poor and disenfranchised, and reasonable ways to pay for those things. and Sanders is for all that. those things, i think the nation can do.
my main frustration with that is backing down on healthcare and letting the republicans & insurance lobbies gut it. O's preference was a fully single-payer system - a socialized basic healthcare paid for with tax dollars that ever citizen gets. what we have now is only a half-measure, that came out of a republican think tank, that feeds insurance companies customers, and half of the problems with it is red states who refused to set up insurance markets and did everything they could to keep it from being successful, out of political motivation rather than concern for citizen's welfare. in my state, for example, i am exempt from the tax penalty (i do have healthcare tho, but if i didn't) because the state rejected all the federal money to set up a market, and refused to set up the market. so at the federal level, in reaction to that beligerence, the penalty is waived.
i'd rather see a completely socialized basic system that can be augmented by private insurance. it works in a whole lot of other countries.
my biggest frustration with Obama is his sympathizing with a two-state solution for Israel (which is the source of all the tension between us & them) and the way he turned around on the gay marriage issue. both of those, tho i disagree with him about it, i understand, because i think he's trying to look at them from an objective humanitarian perspective, which is what he has to do as the leader of a secular nation. those issues, and that he was too spineless in the first few years dealing with congress, compromising everything he wanted to do. but that's 'checks and balances' for you - what else is he supposed to do with a congress determined to either do nothing at all or anything in their power to make the president fail and/or look as bad as possible?
and wow, the R controlled congress's behavior over the last 6-7 years, with complete disregard for the American people, solely concerned with opposing the president, at the expense of the VA, at the expense of healthcare, at the expense of our national credit rating, at the expense of a lot of things - they have completely lost my vote.
and exactly what they were doing was taking a half-measure towards a single-payer system, instead of going for it. a band-aid instead of a solution. they were compromising. Obama, because that's what he does - he's a centrist and compromises on almost everything, and the dems, because they don't really want a single-payer system.
and i can't forget that the repubs did everything they could to keep it from working at all.
i want an actual single-payer system. i guess maybe we need an actual socialist in office to accomplish that. but more than likely, even if Sanders gets into the white house, we'll have an R-controlled congress that makes sure he can accomplish no such thing, and the broken system we have that replaced the broken system we used to have will just get even more broken as the dismantle & defund it piece by piece.
blah, politics.
what are we doing talking about it anyway? it's the world's business. it drives a wedge between us.
one thing i love about CC though, for the most part, i can disagree with most of you about politics, and (i hope) we still love each other. in a lot of other places, even other Christian forums, these kinds of conversations explode and separate brothers and sisters.
i ranted on a bit in the last couple posts, and i know most of you reading are like "wow post you are a nutcase" about it, but i still love all of you, and these aren't the important things -- the important thing is Christ and His gospel.
Jesus for president!!
[video=youtube;eEfUcRb3JcM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEfUcRb3JcM[/video]
what are we doing talking about it anyway? it's the world's business. it drives a wedge between us.
one thing i love about CC though, for the most part, i can disagree with most of you about politics, and (i hope) we still love each other. in a lot of other places, even other Christian forums, these kinds of conversations explode and separate brothers and sisters.
i ranted on a bit in the last couple posts, and i know most of you reading are like "wow post you are a nutcase" about it, but i still love all of you, and these aren't the important things -- the important thing is Christ and His gospel.
Jesus for president!!
[video=youtube;eEfUcRb3JcM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEfUcRb3JcM[/video]
The Constitution applies to AMERICAN citizens. NOT those who aren't even here. When did Trump say he was going to outlaw Islam in America? He was talking about IMMIGRATION, which we have always set differing parameters to, INCLUDING religious. This is why the ACCURATE teaching of history in our schools is so vital.
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Mitspa
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You mean like obama and the rest of the Left are doing to Christians, and Christians only, I might add.
I love ya, Post, but I have to ask, exactly what flavor Kool-Aid is it that you're drinking?
Lol I doubt that. I think Bernie and Donald are the two most opposite of each other. I mean for real, Trump is like the caricature of an elite billionaire capitalist. Bernie is a communist. You couldn't get more of a political dichotomy than that.
...........and, Trump has more in common with Bernie than he does the Republican Party
ONLY if you listen to Trump in the last few weeks. Bernie says people should pay more taxes. Trump says people should pay more taxes. Bernie is pro abortion....Trump was pro abortion for decades. Bernie supported Bill and Hillary until he decided to run against Hillary. Trump supported Bill and Hillary until he decided to run against Hillary. Bernie is a life long Democrat. Trump was a life long Democrat until just last year or so. Bernie likes Government spending. Trump likes Government spending..............and on and on............seriously, they are not so very different in "practice."
Lol I don't know what Trump will do in practice. I do know Bernie will be more of the same descent into communism and secularism though.
Did I not tell you all months, even nearly a year a go to support my servant Kasich?
You all would not agree, so Trump it is, at least he won't keep coddling islam.
As for Bernie, I don't trust him. I trust Hillary more than an atheist communist and that's all there is to it.
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kaylagrl
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No,one happened years ago. Before he was considering running. The news anchor was saying that people dont know the real Trump.
Kasich is doing well in New Hampshire as I understand it.......so, he is still hanging around.........
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kaylagrl
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Quote " Republicans, for their part, i think kind of just say "yeah i am against abortion" and that automatically gets them the whole Bible Belt's vote. whether they are actually going to do anything about it or not is a different story."
Yes, thats why Franklin Graham left the GOP recently.