Baptism should accompany confessions of faith

[Everlasting-Grace]

Salvation Army and Quakers do not baptize.

The more important question is which churches do not baptize so that we may have the remission of sins?

In other words, getting wet as a outward sign is not baptism but simply a man-made tradition.

Matthew 15:3
Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

I did not know those were churches.

as for trying to get saved through water baptism. Why would you lead someone to hell by a false gospel?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

There's a lot of things the Salvation Army doesn't do.... not a very strong argument....


We don't baptize someone so that they will be a member of our congregation.... we baptize to fulfil scriptural commands, for forgiveness of sins, and so that the person can receive the indwelling Spirit... just as scripture says.
It's not so you can be a member of an earthly "club"....

Another one.

I was baptized By God the night I came to him and recieved the Holy Spirit that same night amazingly in the room where a few months later I would be dressing in to go to the baptismal to get baptized in water.

But I agree. Getting baptized even in water is not to join and earthly club.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

in reverse, you can't be a church voting member w/o being baptized.

Why can’t you?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The sister church is convenient.
But we have also baptized in the river in the middle of winter and one 12 year old in a bathtub.
As long as the water is deep enough.

We actually use a pool big enough for multiple people to get in. Because some people want to be baptized by the ones who led them to the lord.. The ones who fulfilled the commission Jesus gave and made them into a disciple

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Some of the confusion may stem from Paul, who we have received most gospel revelation from. Apparently baptism was not a part of his ministry

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1 Corinthians 1:14-17​

Amen

Baptism is not the gospel or part of it.

It is what we do AFTER we come to the gospel of truth. And are saved. Like so many other things God commands us to do

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

John was baptizing for the remission of sins. (Mark 1:4 & Luke 3:3)
As we all should do.

John baptized Jesus to fulfill all righteousness. (Matthew 3:15)
As we all should do.

Yes, He baptised BECAUSE of remission of sin. He made this clear when he demanded certain people show fruits of repentance before he would even baptize them

And yes, Jesus was baptized to fulfill all. As John even said, The one who come and you see the HS descend like a dove, this is he who baptizes with the HS and fire.

Lets get baptized with the HS before we worry about getting baptized in water

 

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So your salvation is not based on faith but on the fact that a second person baptized you.

Amen Hios faiht is in water. Much like many jew wanted people to have faith in their circumcision.

Paul taught a circumcision made without hands, through the baptism (also without hands) of God

 

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You can give a testimony at any time; but I can personally assure you that YES, there are churches that do baptisms WITHOUT the person doing a testimony, or speaking at all.

Sadly. I am sure you are right, As we have witnessed here, there are churches that teach baptism is a means of salvation. So how could you give a testimony when you have not even been saved yet?

Nevertheless; a public testimony isn't really required. Belief is required.

He can! But that is not the main purpose. A testimony can be given at any time.

Not every "church body" is the church body and not every "baptism" is a baptism. If a "church body" is using baptism as a mere ritual social event, I speak against it in good conscience.

I do not know. I have been to many a church and never seen them do a baptism. So I would not know why or how they do it

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Once again, what happened in your bedroom on Wednesday night has no bearing on this issue. Regardless of what you think happened cannot change scripture, this is what you seem to not understand.

Eph. 2:8-9 does not negate the purpose of water baptism in scripture. Try again.

Eph 2 IS the gospel. And there is a reason water baptism is not in it. Just like it is not in John 3. Because water baptism is not required.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Baptism is not the gospel or part of it.

I disagree. It absolutely is a part of it

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

???

Since Paul's message was based on the Word of God, it was most certainly part of his message.

Your question is simply a deflection. Paul's message was the same as the rest of the apostles.

Yet Paul said clearly baptism was not part of the gospel.

So now. Who is the real one deflecting? Is it not you?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Paul taught a lot about baptism he explains the entire process n his epistles Roman’s 6 , Colossians 2 it fits perfectly with bekieving he died for our sins

Romans 6 is not really baptism, it is a poor translation. Romans 6 talked about being united (Baptized) I not Christ. By being placerd (baptised) into his death.

Col 2 also does not speak of water baptism. Water baptism is done by the hands of man, Paul did not make a fool of himself by saying the circumcision done by the hand of God not man is accomplished by water baptism done by the hand of man.

In both of these cases Holy Spirit baptism or the baptism done by the hand of God is in context. Not water baptism

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I think it's totally foolish not to get baptized. Not for theological reasons, but for conscience's sake. Why give the accuser an open door to create doubt about salvation? Get baptized and put the issue to rest forever. Then the accuser can never create doubt in your mind about the matter

For one God himself commanded it.. He commanded those who made us into disciple to baptize us, so hence. He commanded us to be baptized.

We should not sin by rejec ting this command. And yes, i myself feel not getting baptized is a sin

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It has meaning consider this and it’s conformity think of the core foundations of our faith

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

and that he was buried,

and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now consider baptism , a man of God buries you beneath the water in Jesus name because you believe he died for your sins . Then you are raised up again from the water in Jesus name who rose again because you believe he rose again after he died for our sins which is the price for sin , death .

now listen to pauls doctine regarding those who were baptized into Jesus by his name

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? ( he died for our sins )

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( when we’re buried beneath the surface of the water in his name )

that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, ( buried beneath the surface in his name ) we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,( death ) but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”( resurrection or “new birth “ fresh start without your sin that was remitted in jesus name )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-6, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s an action of faith we do it only because we heard and believe the gospel and that’s part of the doctrine . If god tells us to do something and we do it because we believe what he told us will happen , it’s not ritual it’s an act of faith because and only because we believe jesus died for our sins was buried and rose again .

Paul writes more about baptism and those who were baptized on his name but the above there shows how what we believe jesus does and rose for us . And what we then do based on that belief get baptized into his name for remission of sins

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( what we do )


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( what God gives us )
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Water baptism is a SYMBOL of this. Just like communion is a SYMBOL of the death of christ, and us partaking of that death.

It is not the literal baptism which saves us.

A good way to look at it is it is a symbol of what God did to us when we were saved. By calling out to him in Faith.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I'm not exactly sure if we're on the same page. I've also been in congregations where a confession of faith was part of baptism; however, the correct order of things is first repentance and confession of Christ for forgiveness, then baptism following as soon as possible, not weeks, months or years later. Someone may come to believe in Christ for salvation and make a confession of faith, then make another confession months later in some public baptismal ceremony when it's convenient for others. This isn't the way.

If a person does not get baptized with in three months, in your view, is that person saved?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

In regards to your first post I think the issue may have arisen from the faith-only crowd that thinks any type of obedience is works of law, and therefore to be eschewed.

Why would you make a comment like this?

Faith only people (like myself) do not at any point of time think any type of obedience is a work of the law.

If One claims to have faith. But never does any work. We deny they had faith just Like James does. Their faith was dead.

the faith only crowd thinks if you are doing any particular work hoping that work will merit your salvation. It is a work of the law.

Please do not misrepresent us. That is not christlike

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Why would you make a comment like this?

Because there are people who think any act of obedience is a work of law

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I agree! Matthew 28 Jesus gives the great commission and it includes baptism. As does Mark 16:16

lets look at matt 28

1 Make disciples of all nations..
2. Baptize THEM

notice. They are disciples first. Then baptized.

you Can not be a true disciple unless you are saved, and given the HS.

so baptism follows the conversion it is not part of it

as far as mark 16 goes. 1. It is questionable it is even part of scripture (the last verses), it contradicts jesus not only in matt 28 but in most of the book of Jon, namely John 3 and 6, and it does not say what baptism it is. HS baptism is immediate at the point of salvation. So anyone who is saved is baptized immediately already, they do not go do it. God does it to them

 

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I disagree. It absolutely is a part of it

Water baptism?

if it is, Why did Jesus in many conversations he had in the book of John never even mention it?

 

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Because there are people who think any act of obedience is a work of law

Who?

I know many people CLAIM it.

But in my 40 years as a believer, I have never actually heard anyone say this, I have just heard people falsly accuse them of this.

Water baptism is not a command in the law. So it can not be a work of the law (although the law did command Gentiles who were to come into the jewish faith to be washed (baptised) in water. As well as priests, as Moses washed (baptised) Arron and his sons in the river