Baptism should accompany confessions of faith

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Lamar

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Everlasting-Grace said:
If you mean baptised with the Holy Spirit, I agree.
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Was Holy Spirit baptism the baptism Jesus was speaking about or was it water baptism?
Everlasting-Grace said:
is your faith in Christ, or is your faith in the one who immerses you in water
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Is your faith in Christ, or is your faith in the one who taught you about Christ?
Everlasting-Grace said:
Baptize does not always mean water my friend.
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Without a modifier, baptism most certainly is a liquid. This is basic grammar my friend.
Everlasting-Grace said:
if you trust your water baptism to save your. Your trusting in your own works of righteousness which you did. And not in the mercy of God.. who saves us through the washing and regeneration of the spirit. Not of your pastor. And not in water
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Agreed but baptism is never implied in the Bible as a "work of righteousness".

Why would you suggest such a thing?
 
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Lamar said:
Was Holy Spirit baptism the baptism Jesus was speaking about or was it water baptism?
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would jesus contradict himself? It can not be water, or he would contradict himself
Is your faith in Christ, or is your faith in the one who taught you about Christ?
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its in Christ and his promise based on his death. Not in my pastor, or my works.

Without a modifier, baptism most certainly is a liquid. This is basic grammar my friend.
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No. because the greek word from whence it was transliterated from does not have water as its base meaning.

Agreed but baptism is never implied in the Bible as a "work of righteousness".
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A work of righteousness is a work or good deed.

hence by defenition. Water baptism is a work of righteousness. just like prayer, going to church, giving to the poor. Loving your neighbor etc etc.

Why would you suggest such a thing?
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Why would I suggest that a good deed is a work of righteousness?

why would I suggest anything else. Why would you suggest it is not a work of righteousness?
 
homwardbound

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hornetguy said:
aside from your rather disjointed reply... the whole household of Cornelius WAS baptized, at Peter's insistence, apparently, immediately. ...
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Precisely, man's wants, man's desires of their first born flesh person. I guess you might not get it, I can do nothing to get be saved, God by Son the two as Won (One) did it once for us all to get along in this love and mercy given to us to appreciate and not judge others, let God do that, if your enemy is hungry Feed him, them?
Thanks
 
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hornetguy said:
aside from your rather disjointed reply... the whole household of Cornelius WAS baptized, at Peter's insistence, apparently, immediately. ... this was immediately after the Holy Spirit fell on them, in order to convince the Christian Jews of the fact that Gentiles were acceptable to God....

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the [ae]message. 45 All the [af]Jewish believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had also been poured out on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter responded, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
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Further more, if they had not gotten water Baptized, tell me would they have still been saved ed by God or is God not good on God's promises?
I have gone through the rituals and all the worries too, only to be under Law and not see the truth in the risen Son for Mme back then, until revealed to men by God Father in risen Son, amazing grace this is as those that preach you have to go and dod and continue to do this and or that are under Law(s) and are cursed being in worry, doubt and anger, that is not God, the God I now finally know after being under Law first, trying to do it right and can't
Gal 3:19-26 thanks love and mercy to us all, hoping the best for you too
 
hornetguy

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Everlasting-Grace said:
No. because the greek word from whence it was transliterated from does not have water as its base meaning.
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actually, it does. The same word also refers to making pickles.... immersing the cucumbers into a liquid. That's what baptizo means.... "to immerse".....
 
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hornetguy said:
actually, it does. The same word also refers to making pickles.... immersing the cucumbers into a liquid. That's what baptizo means.... "to immerse".....
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It is far deeper than that actually,

yes it means to immerse it also had other meanings in the greek. In the example you give, the pickles were placed into the liquid.. I think of the words of paul where it says they were baptized into moses.. They were placed into Moses who was the head of the nation of Israel at the time.

And again, it shows how romans 6 can not mean to baptise in water. Because that would give it almost a double meaning.

it says we were baptized (immersed) into his death. And we were baptized (immersed) Into Christ.


Now if we take the meaning it MUST mean baptized in water, the words do not make sense. It would need to be baptised do you not know we were baptized in water into christ.. well which one were we baptized into Water or Christ?

Same with his death,, is it water or literally his death.

and then the final thing we need to see.

Who can place us into christ or his death other than God himself. Can your pastor baptize you into Christ or his death? Well of course not.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
But it would be a false testimony

I can not give a testimony of my faith in God and praise God for what he did for me, and how he changed my life. When he has not yet done it.
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It's like you didn't even read what I posted.... I did say some people do give a lying testimony. But it's not limited to that, either.

Elon Musk was on a show talking with some Christian guys- they told him about some of the teachings of Jesus: they didn't go all "JESUS WAS GOD IN THE FLESH AND HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS SINNER! SO REPENT" it was just a normal conversation between dudes about Jesus. So Elon can still give a good and true testimony based on what he knows, understands, and believes about Jesus. Just because you can't testify with a full revelation doesn't mean you don't have any testimony at all.
 
hornetguy

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
But it wasn't the first thing that the house of Cornelius did. They were baptized into the spirit first, then baptized with water. Which baptism immersed them into Christ's death?
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Please go back and read the explanation for the Cornelius story.... try to understand the PURPOSE of the story.... good grief.
 
hornetguy

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Everlasting-Grace said:
we were baptized in water into christ.. well which one were we baptized into Water or Christ?
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You are doing your best to play word games.... we are not baptized INTO water.... we are baptized into Christ with water as the medium...
 
hornetguy

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Everlasting-Grace said:
I did not miss anything,

I will ask you also.

A person repents. Calls on the name of the lord to be saved, but for whatever reason is not water baptized for a few months after that person called out to God. Is that person saved?
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I cannot answer that, because it is not up to me... it is up to our loving God.
 
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hornetguy said:
You are doing your best to play word games.... we are not baptized INTO water.... we are baptized into Christ with water as the medium...
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lol And I am playing word games?

I was baptized into christ period. I was placed into christ By God himself.

No water involved.
 
hornetguy

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What if aliens abducted him and took him away before he could be baptized?
What if Christ came again before he could be baptized?
What if he was baptized first, THEN accepted Jesus?

We can play these silly games all day long.... and the answer is still the same... see post 150....
 
Magenta

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Lamar said:
John baptized Jesus to fulfill all righteousness. (Matthew 3:15)
As we all should do.
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You do not fulfill all righteousness, either by getting baptized, or by baptizing others. Only Jesus could
fulfill all righteousness. We put on His righteousness by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood.
Do you know why Jesus had John baptize Him to fulfill all righteousness?
Do you know in what way righteousness was fulfilled via Jesus' baptism?
 
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