At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

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Faith begins with accepting and believing God's Word.
It does not mean you initially have to understand what is said.
Faith means accepting God on His Word.


John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I
will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with
the Holy Spirit and fire.
Luke 3:16 Acts 1:4




The following was said after his resurrection...

On one occasion, while he (Jesus) was eating with them, he gave them this command:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard
me speak about.

For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5​

We need to simply make up our mind to believe what is said.
Understanding will have to follow later.

Peter made a mistake by not recalling those words of Jesus until some time passed during the beginning of the Church age.
So, Peter continued to water baptize as he always had done before the Church age sprung upon itself the world.

Then, sometime later...
(keep in mind) Peter was till commanding water baptisms to new converts.
But, then the following happened to Peter to get him to update his thinking for what changed for the church age.

“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord
Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?” Acts 11:15-17​

All the water baptisms that Peter had commanded in the early days of the church took place
until he finally recalled what Jesus had told him in Acts 1:4-5.

Yes! God records mistakes.
It is for our benefit for us to learn. For, we too, will make mistakes until corrected.
Not to condemn ourselves when see that even the disciples were also vulnerable.



grace and peace ..........

Morning, good job trying to prove your point.

"Faith begins with accepting and believing God's Word.
It does not mean you initially have to understand what is said.
Faith means accepting God on His Word."

Reply, I agree 100%.

"John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I
will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with
the Holy Spirit and fire. Luke 3:16 Acts 1:4"

Reply, And just after Peter told them to be baptized and they shall receive the Holy Ghost.

"The following was said after his resurrection...
On one occasion, while he (Jesus) was eating with them, he gave them this command:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard
me speak about.
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5

We need to simply make up our mind to believe what is said.
Understanding will have to follow later.

Reply, we always need to believe what HE said.

"Peter made a mistake by not recalling those words of Jesus until some time passed during the beginning of the Church age.
So, Peter continued to water baptize as he always had done before the Church age sprung upon itself the world."

Then, sometime later...
(keep in mind) Peter was till commanding water baptisms to new converts.
But, then the following happened to Peter to get him to update his thinking for what changed for the church age.

“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord
Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?” Acts 11:15-17

All the water baptisms that Peter had commanded in the early days of the church took place
until he finally recalled what Jesus had told him in Acts 1:4-5.

Yes! God records mistakes.
It is for our benefit for us to learn. For, we too, will make mistakes until corrected.
Not to condemn ourselves when see that even the disciples were also vulnerable."

Reply, first Peter didn't make a mistake, in Acts 10 Peter was sent to the Gentiles to show them how to be reborn.

Back drop, Jews were not allowed to talk to the Gentiles so when JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost (my opinion, it took Peter by surprise) and but he did not blink he COMMANDED them to be baptized.

If your saying that spirit baptism replaced water baptism why did Peter COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED.

Since Peter knows that being baptized in JESUS name removes our sins and JESUS is the ones who fills us with HIS spirit, Peter was sent to show them how to be reborn and he did his job.

They believed, filled with the spirit and was baptized.

Which lines up with John 3:5 and Acts 2:38.

But to add, look at Acts 19 app 20 years after the day of Pentecost Paul preaching the same message. Baptized in JESUS name and filled with the Holy Ghost.

Thinking of Acts 19, HAVE YOU BEEN FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED??

How were YOU baptized?

Learn how to post!
You end up quoting my words, and then make it appear as if you are the one saying them.

You are in a forum.
Learn how to use it!
Until you do, you are wasting our time.
And, only good for stirring up confusion.

If you keep it up?
We may vote and agree to all put you on Ignore.

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Matthew 28:19?
To you?
Baptism only means water.
To them?
It held several meanings!

They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 1 Corinthians 10:2​

Zeal without knowledge produces dead wood.

If you don't want to learn?
That dead wood will burn!

1 Corinthians 3:11-15

You have to learn to be patient and calm down.

Water baptism in NT thing which started in the NT.
 
Learn how to post!
You end up quoting my words, and then make it appear as if you are the one saying them.

You are in a forum.
Learn how to use it!
Until you do, you are wasting our time.
And, only good for stirring up confusion.

If you keep it up?
We may vote and agree to all put you on Ignore.

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Yea, I need to do that?

Looks like people like you just tell me what I need to do without telling me how.

So I'm sure you could figure it out.

What do you think of the REPLIES????

Did you like them?

Must not like them since all you do is complain about ME.
 
Yea, I need to do that?

Looks like people like you just tell me what I need to do without telling me how.

You should take it slow for a while.
Learn how to drive in traffic.

Maybe someone here can teach you how to use the quote feature.
 
It is read about in the NT.
When John was baptizing in the Jordan, they were all Jews.

Jesus was a rabbi!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, he was then in the book of Acts the samaritans, gentiles and the ephesians were grafted in.

SO NT BAPTISM TO GET RID OF OUR SINS STARTED IN THE NT.
 
You should take it slow for a while.
Learn how to drive in traffic.

Maybe someone here can teach you how to use the quote feature.

You are so full of advise.

Do you still think spirit baptism replace water baptism?

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have belived?

How WERE YOU BAPTIZED?

Or do you just stick with deflection?

Maybe someone will, maybe not.

Lucky for me this sight has nothing to do with being REBORN.
 
You are so full of advise.

Do you still think spirit baptism replace water baptism?

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have belived?

How WERE YOU BAPTIZED?

Or do you just stick with deflection?

Maybe someone will, maybe not.

Lucky for me this sight has nothing to do with being REBORN.

Can you learn this?


“Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised
from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.” Romans 6:3-4​

Note...

For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea." 1 Corinthians 10:1-2​

See that?
The Jews were baptized into Moses! Not water.
Baptizing in 'the name' of someone, back then, could mean, being baptized into a person. Not water!

We all need to learn this.

Being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was a command to go teach the world about whom the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are! For the world did not yet know who and what the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are!

They needed to be immersed into the teachings that they would receive after their salvation to know God.
 
Do you still think spirit baptism replace water baptism?

Yes.

Unless John the Baptist lied? Unless Jesus lied?

Yes!

What happened to those verses I gave you?
Threw them out in a drunken rage?

Drunk with your own self-importance.
Can not stand correction?

Mistakes will be made.
Even Peter made mistakes.
Even Paul!

The humble will accept the correction.
The stupid will not.
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid. Proverbs 12:1​
On one occasion (after being resurrected), while he was eating with them,
he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift
my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John
baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5​


Do you still think spirit baptism replace water baptism?

Did Jesus lie?
You better believe I do!

For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

The church age brought in totally new ways.



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Thanks for the link...I will check him out...you should check out HebrewGospeldotcom as well...

These scholars have argued (to varying degrees) that parts or all of the NT were first composed in Hebrew/Aramaic:

  • Dr. Joseph Shulam (79) – Messianic Jewish scholar; strongly affirms Hebrew/Aramaic primacy, especially for Matthew.
  • Dr. David Bivin (86) – Specialist in Hebrew/Aramaic background of the NT; argues that many sayings of Jesus and possibly Matthew originated in Hebrew.
  • Dr. Roy B. Blizzard (~83) – Co-authored works with Bivin; advocates Hebrew origins of the Gospels.
  • Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum (82) – Messianic Jewish theologian; supports Hebrew primacy in some NT texts.
  • Dr. Randall Buth (~70s) – Linguist and NT scholar; explores Aramaic/Hebrew underpinnings of NT traditions.
  • Dr. Tsvi Sadan (62) – Israeli scholar; affirms Hebrew roots of NT writings.
  • Dr. Eitan Bar (41) – Messianic Jewish apologist; argues for Hebrew primacy in Matthew.
  • Dr. Steven Notley (~70s) – Works on Hebrew/Aramaic background of the NT; sympathetic to Hebrew Gospel hypothesis.

Even this is grungily conceded...the NT is written by Jews to Jews (first Christian converts) and latter translated into Greek...at which point they skewed the Hebraic voice with its western Greekness "all about me and my faith, my loyalty" in a Greek contractual construct and not in the Hebraic Covenant Relational Construct with its emphasis on the Faithfulness of the Father and our Kinsman Redeemer. People like (Love) to have something to do with their salvation.


It was Jews who had to come to grips with allowing Gentiles into what they thought originally was meant for them.


You do not have to hear through this entire video.
But, I believe it makes the point we all need to see about the Jewishness of the Gospels.

 
I don't need AI, I have JESUS and HIS word.

At times, AI can help present more details concerning Jesus and His Word.

For AI will do a massive search and gather what many have posted online to save time searching for hours.

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Yea, he was then in the book of Acts the samaritans, gentiles and the ephesians were grafted in.

SO NT BAPTISM TO GET RID OF OUR SINS STARTED IN THE NT.
John's Baptism was not about getting rid of sins.
It was about repentance...
Turning to the Messiah.

Turning away from the legalisms of the Pharisees for salvation.

Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the
people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”
Acts 19:4​

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Can you learn this?


“Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised
from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.” Romans 6:3-4

Note...

For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea." 1 Corinthians 10:1-2

See that?
The Jews were baptized into Moses! Not water.
Baptizing in 'the name' of someone, back then, could mean, being baptized into a person. Not water!

We all need to learn this.

Being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was a command to go teach the world about whom the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are! For the world did not yet know who and what the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are!

They needed to be immersed into the teachings that they would receive after their salvation to know God.
Can you learn this?


“Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised
from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.” Romans 6:3-4​

Note...

For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea." 1 Corinthians 10:1-2​

See that?
The Jews were baptized into Moses! Not water.
Baptizing in 'the name' of someone, back then, could mean, being baptized into a person. Not water!

We all need to learn this.

Being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was a command to go teach the world about whom the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are! For the world did not yet know who and what the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are!

They needed to be immersed into the teachings that they would receive after their salvation to know God.

Are you HUMBLE????

Did you notice Paul is speaking about ANCESTORS and Moses was OT and that is speaking of THE PAST!!!

FYI, after the book of Acts 1 Jews and now baptized in TO JESUS.

An example,

Acts 2:37-41
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The FIRST ONES BAPTIZED AND REBORN IN NT WAS JEWS.

Yep, JESUS told HIS DISCIPLES what to do, NOT THE UNSAVED.

If we were there after Matthew 28 we would have been told to get baptized in JESUS NAME.

HIS DISCIPLES KNEW WHO the father, the son and the Holy Ghost IS.

Do you know GOD'S name? THEY DID.
 
Yes.

Unless John the Baptist lied? Unless Jesus lied?

Yes!

What happened to those verses I gave you?
Threw them out in a drunken rage?

Drunk with your own self-importance.
Can not stand correction?

Mistakes will be made.
Even Peter made mistakes.
Even Paul!

The humble will accept the correction.
The stupid will not.
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid. Proverbs 12:1​
On one occasion (after being resurrected), while he was eating with them,
he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift
my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John
baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5​




Did Jesus lie?
You better believe I do!

For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

The church age brought in totally new ways.



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YOU ARE A VERY RUDE PERSON, WE CAN TELL THE TREE BY ITS FRUITS.

I'M OUT, I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO YOU.
 
Are you HUMBLE????

Did you notice Paul is speaking about ANCESTORS and Moses was OT and that is speaking of THE PAST!!!

FYI, after the book of Acts 1 Jews and now baptized in TO JESUS.

You seemed to have something to say.
But, you have nothing.

I was simply showing you how the word "baptized" could be used in past times.
You remain stuck on only one meaning.

Sorry to break it to you.
What was written about being baptized into Moses was penned by Paul. Not the OT.
1 Corinthians 10:2 was NT thinking! Wake up!
You can't even think straight.

Your biggest strength in arguing has been your ignorance and unwillingness to learn anything that would correct you.
I AM NOT EVEN SURE I SHOULD CONTINUE TO BOTHER WITH YOU.

But, it may help others here, whom you wish to push around with your shield of stupidity, to show them how you operate.
That is why I continue with you.
 
YOU ARE A VERY RUDE PERSON, WE CAN TELL THE TREE BY ITS FRUITS.

I'M OUT, I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO YOU.

Translation:
You've lost the argument and do not have anywhere else to hide the truth.

You are the rude one, sir.
Not only that, but you just proved yourself unable to take what you dish out.
With the pure you show yourself pure. And with the crooked you show yourself tortuous. Psalm 18:26​
 
Translation:
You've lost the argument and do not have anywhere else to hide the truth.

You are the rude one, sir.
Not only that, but you just proved yourself unable to take what you dish out.
With the pure you show yourself pure. And with the crooked you show yourself tortuous. Psalm 18:26​
Agreed!
 
Translation:
You've lost the argument and do not have anywhere else to hide the truth.

You are the rude one, sir.
Not only that, but you just proved yourself unable to take what you dish out.
With the pure you show yourself pure. And with the crooked you show yourself tortuous. Psalm 18:26​

Thank you for all of your kind words.

Fyi, you can't offend me no matter how hard you try.

I don't argue with anyone I just share HIS word and let HIM do the talking.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ME AND YOU, it's about JESUS and us.

No reason to debate when you can't stay on a topic without insults, WHERE'S THE LOVE???

I don't put people on ignore either, who knows JESUS thought the Holy Ghost may correct them and if they repent how would I know?

Best of luck.