Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?

[UnitedWithChrist]

We all start out as trinitarians. There is no new argument they can put forth. But that is all they do, is put forth carnal arguments and slander those who believe in Jesus Christ, the One True God. As I easily proved above, that you said "whatever" to lol. It wasn't real difficult, once I started reading the Bible after throwing away the Nicene Creed and the teachings of men "an egg is yoke/white/shell" nonsense.
I challenged another to engage in scriptures with me on this topic on this thread. If you pay attention to it
you might learn something.

You know, when I think about Oneness people, I remember this debate....it seems like so many of them are like that guy in terms of their behavior. I think a large number come from Arkansas

 

[Lambs_Wife]

First, you don't define the rules of engagement.

Second, women are not competent to teach.

Third, Scripture teaches there is one God. You would not disagree with that.

Fourth, Scripture teaches that there are interpersonal interactions between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It's all over the New Testament.

Therefore, your position is incoherent. You can claim all you want.

By the way, you can see that only about 2 people deny the Trinity. And, I know from experience that they will not yield to truth, so why waste my time?

Explain to me how there can be interpersonal relationships between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit if there is only Person.

There can't be. This is why oneness theology is bankrupt.

First, I DO define the rules of engagement.

Second, I am a man.

Third, yes, I'm glad you agree that there is one Lord God... the question is, do you believe that JESUS is the ONE LORD GOD THOSE SCRIPTURES SPEAKS OF IN THOSE EXACT WORDS?

Do you or do you NOT agree with these scriptures FIRST?

After all, it is the FIRST AND FOREMOST COMMANDMENT.

So if you agree say so. If not, just say so. Then we can move on.

Here it is again;

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Thomas seem to understand WHO Jesus was...

Joh_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

And you may dispense with the back door slander, it won't work on me son.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

First, I DO define the rules of engagement.

Second, I am a man.

Third, yes, I'm glad you agree that there is one Lord God... the question is, do you believe that JESUS is the ONE LORD GOD THOSE SCRIPTURES SPEAKS OF IN THOSE EXACT WORDS?

Do you or do you NOT agree with these scriptures FIRST?

After all, it is the FIRST AND FOREMOST COMMANDMENT.

So if you agree say so. If not, just say so. Then we can move on.

Here it is again;

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Thomas seem to understand WHO Jesus was...

Joh_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

And you may dispense with the back door slander, it won't work on me son.

No, I do not agree that Jesus is the only LORD.

The Father is LORD too.

The Son is also God.

Pointing to the Scriptures regarding the oneness of God doesn't do you any good with a true Trinitarian, as we believe that there is only one God, YHVH, yet three Persons.

Therefore "proving" the oneness of God doesn't help you.

The answer you need to provide is this: how can there be interpersonal activity between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in a Oneness theology context?

Answer: there cannot be.

Here's one of the examples...according to Hebrews, the Son intercedes for the saints with God.

So, you have Jesus interceding on behalf of the saints to the Father.

How can this make any kind of sense in a Oneness worldview?

Answer: it cannot.

And, anyone who reads Hebrews knows that Jesus is interceding for believers.

Oneness theology is totally incoherent.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

First, I DO define the rules of engagement.

Second, I am a man.

Third, yes, I'm glad you agree that there is one Lord God... the question is, do you believe that JESUS is the ONE LORD GOD THOSE SCRIPTURES SPEAKS OF IN THOSE EXACT WORDS?

Do you or do you NOT agree with these scriptures FIRST?

After all, it is the FIRST AND FOREMOST COMMANDMENT.

So if you agree say so. If not, just say so. Then we can move on.

Here it is again;

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Thomas seem to understand WHO Jesus was...

Joh_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

And you may dispense with the back door slander, it won't work on me son.

Additionally, I am not your son.

In fact I'm probably older than you...and I don't think you can be much older than me, if you are older. I keep the "age card" out of my discussions here.

I have known old fools and young fools, and old wise people and young wise people.

Regarding being Jesus' wife..no I am not Jesus' wife. I have been joined to him, and marriage is a metaphor that describes the union between Christ and his church. However, I don't see this being applied individually.

So, I haven't bought a wedding dress yet.

The Church as a whole is his bride, and will be his wife at his return.

 

[Kolistus]

1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Yes, Jesus is God. The One Lord God. I am Married to the Lamb, my Lord and my God.

You can't defend the idolatrous trinity doctrine. You are welcome to try if you like though.

Let us see if we can agree with the Cornerstone of authority on this beginning at the most important start;

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; >>>The Lord our God is one Lord<<<:

Eph 4:5 one Lord...

Who is our "One Lord God"?

Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Do you agree so far?

No "explanations" or "opinions" from you, ok? ONLY SCRIPTURES.

See if you can find where these scriptures are wrong, that Jesus is NOT our One Lord God, you may provide them. We will move forward from this First Commandment of God when you agree.

(Question: Have you not married Jesus yet?)

Why do you act as if I dont accept these verses? I already said I believe Jesus is God. Where is the idolatry?

 

[Lambs_Wife]

No, I do not agree that Jesus is the only LORD.

The Father is LORD too.

The Son is also God.

Pointing to the Scriptures regarding the oneness of God doesn't do you any good with a true Trinitarian, as we believe that there is only one God, YHVH, yet three Persons.

Therefore "proving" the oneness of God doesn't help you.

The answer you need to provide is this: how can there be interpersonal activity between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in a Oneness theology context?

Answer: there cannot be.

Here's one of the examples...according to Hebrews, the Son intercedes for the saints with God.

So, you have Jesus interceding on behalf of the saints to the Father.

How can this make any kind of sense in a Oneness worldview?

Answer: it cannot.

And, anyone who reads Hebrews knows that Jesus is interceding for believers.

Oneness theology is totally incoherent.

Then you are a liar and the truth is not in you.

You deny Jesus is the One Lord your God, against scriptures provided right in front of you.
We now KNOW THIS OF YOU. Thank you.

We also know that since you have no comprehension of scriptures as evidenced by giving mindless opinions substituting in the place of scriptures for you. That is HOW we know you are a liar and the truth is not in you;

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, >>>let God be true, but every man a liar<<<; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

You are judged a liar. I shall have nothing more to do with you.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Then you are a liar and the truth is not in you.

You deny Jesus is the One Lord your God, against scriptures provided right in front of you.
We now KNOW THIS OF YOU. Thank you.

We also know that since you have no comprehension of scriptures as evidenced by giving mindless opinions substituting in the place of scriptures for you. That is HOW we know you are a liar and the truth is not in you;

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, >>>let God be true, but every man a liar<<<; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

You are judged a liar. I shall have nothing more to do with you.

This is hilarious..a Oneness guy claiming others to be ignorant, liars, and unsaved

I do not deny that Jesus is Lord (YHVH) and God.
I do not deny that the Father is Lord (YHVH) and God.
I do not deny that the Holy Spirit is Lord (YHVH) and God.

Anyone who does is a heretic.

There is one God, YHVH, in terms of essence or being, revealed in Scripture in three Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Plain, simple, biblical truth.

Oneness theology is heretical, as is all other forms of anti-Trinitarian nonsense. And, their word games are nothing but nonsense.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

No, I started off as an anti-Trinitarian cultist.

So, you just stated something untrue. You claim that all of us started out as Trinitarians.

I did not.

Therefore, since you are wrong on one thing, you are wrong on all things, using your logic.

Good stuff!

 

[Rondonmon]

The poll is simple.

Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine from Scripture?

I am definitely a Trinitarian, and I can definitely defend the doctrine.

If you can defend the doctrine, please provide your Scriptural and reasoning. Additionally, please tell me about incidences where you successfully defended the Trinity.

If you can't defend the doctrine, I suggest that you learn how to defend it. It is the most commonly rejected doctrine of Christianity.

I usually just show how the Trinity works via a demonstration. I find people understand this much better.

Lets say you have a three trillion gallon water reservoir and every drop of that water is exactly the same throughout, in other words the chemical make up or PHD is the exact same in every drop of water.

Now lets say a person decides to pour 100 gallons (Jesus) of water over his head, he will be soaking wet, but he will survive. Now lets say the same person decides to pour another 100 gallons (Holy Spirit) of water over his head, again, he will be OK, but he will of course be soaking wet. Now for the grand finale, lets say that same person takes the full Three Trillion Gallons of Water and pours it over his head, that person will surely die because of the volume ( Abundance of God's Glory) of water.

All of the water has the exact same makeup, just like God the Father, Jesus the Redeemer (Son) and the Holy Spirit all have the exact same properties, they are Love, Hope, Peace, Joy, Kindness, Forgiving, Long-suffering etc. etc. etc. just like every drop of water is exactly the same throughout, but the Abundance of the Glory remains with the Father. We could not have the Holy Spirit living in our heart if it was the Abundance of the Glory no man can look at, even Moses whom looking at the hinder parts turned his hair white, but the Holy Spirit can live in our hearts, because he is God, but hes not the Father. Likewise Jesus is the LIKENESS of the Father but he is not the Father who has the Abundance of the Glory !! Men could look upon Jesus, if they looked upon God they would be consumed like the 70 who looked into the Ark of the Covenant.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Second, women are not competent to teach.

We can actually read and write these day you know.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

We can actually read and write these day you know.

days

 

[Absolutely]

First, I DO define the rules of engagement.

Second, I am a man.

Third, yes, I'm glad you agree that there is one Lord God... the question is, do you believe that JESUS is the ONE LORD GOD THOSE SCRIPTURES SPEAKS OF IN THOSE EXACT WORDS?

Do you or do you NOT agree with these scriptures FIRST?

After all, it is the FIRST AND FOREMOST COMMANDMENT.

So if you agree say so. If not, just say so. Then we can move on.

Here it is again;

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Thomas seem to understand WHO Jesus was...

Joh_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

And you may dispense with the back door slander, it won't work on me son.

Try these verses on;
We see Jesus take the scroll out of the hand of the Father.

REV 5
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

did your upc teachers leave out those verses?

 

[Noose]

What view of God's nature do you hold?

Are you Oneness?

If so, how can there be relationships between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

The Oneness sock-puppet theology does not work due to the relationships within the Triune God.

Oneness theology claims, simply, there is one puppet-master (Person), on whose hand is sometimes the Father, sometimes the Son, and sometimes the Holy Spirit.

The Trinitarian doctrine fits perfectly, whether carnal-minded people can understand it or not.

All this nonsense about it being pagan is simply false. Pagans believed, in some cases, in triads of gods, but triads are not Triune..they are three separate gods...so claiming that the Trinity is pagan due to triads of gods is ridiculous.

And, if someone believes in more than one god, they are polytheistic.

The biblical teaching is simply Trinitarian..anti-trinitarians are basically just conspiracy nuts. Usually their claims go along with other nutty theology.

By the way, if you doubt it, follow the non-Trinitarian's other posts and see what kind of other nutty stuff they post.

Your repeated claims about what you think the bible teaches doesn't make Trinity to be true; maybe it is but from your explanation, so far it doesn't hold much water.

I'm not a oneness guy, i don't ascribe quantities to God. The oneness of God has nothing to do with quantity but His attributes (meaning He Alone). For example, He alone is the creator of the universe, otherwise God is spirit.

The relationship between the Father/Son/Holy spirit is as explained in the bible, they are not persons but authorities of God whose holder is Jesus.

Isa 9:
6For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given,
and the government will be upon His shoulders.
And He will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

This one child has these authorities:

1. Eternal Father = Father
2. Son = Son
3. Wonderful Counselor = Holy spirit

Q. How many persons are we talking about here?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Those one here who stand opposed to the Trinity are calling the Christ a created being. God is the only One who is without beginning or ending, and if the Christ is not God, then He is no better than the angels who He created.

Let that sink in people.

 

[Noose]

Those one here who stand opposed to the Trinity are calling the Christ a created being. God is the only One who is without beginning or ending, and if the Christ is not God, then He is no better than the angels who He created.

Let that sink in people.

Job 38:
4“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Can this one sink too?

 

[Noose]

I believe in the trinity, I believe I can defend the doctrine.

If Jesus isnt God, we are all guilty of idolatry. All creation is guilty of idolatry for bowing down to the Lamb.

I believe this verse makes Jesus distinct from creation, since He is eternal and not created.

Revelation 5:13
And I heard every creature in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever!"

Q. Is Satan part of every creature that praise and worship the lamb?

Worshiping the lamb means a lot of other things that you may not be aware of.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Job 38:
4“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Can this one sink too?

Again, if the Christ is not God, He is a created being. But you do not care, right? Impugn away.

 

[Noose]

Again, if the Christ is not God, He is a created being. But you do not care, right? Impugn away.

All those sons of God that Job mentions were not created because they were rejoicing in God's creation right? Who are they? They are not all Jesus, are they?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Job 38:
4“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Can this one sink too?

These are referring to angels. Stars are referred to as stars a few times in the bible, with Revelation 12 coming to mind.

 

[Victor1999]

Nope. In the OT it is called Spirit of God. King David mentions the Holy ( means dedicated) Spirit.
Jesus says that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father.

Romans 8:9
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him

The NT seems to use Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ interchangeably