You may want to review that, it doesn't make sense.God is one Being, three Persons. You can’t baptize in the nane of the Father, if the Son, and Holy Spirit is He is one Person.
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Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?
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Jesus is one person of the Triune God.
However, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit mutually indwell one another. That is why there is only one God, yet three Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, within the Triune God.
All of Scripture's teachings must reconcile together. Hence, the Trinity doctrine. Every other view is incoherent.
But what you are saying isn't reconciling at all.
If Jesus is just one person, does He change into three persons when the Father and the Holy spirit indwell Him or does He still remain Jesus, that one person that we know?
Nothing can kill you more effectKeep contending for the faith...
Not interested in opinions or your inability to believe scriptures please, thank you.God is one Being, three Persons. You can’t baptize in the nane of the Father, if the Son, and Holy Spirit is He is one Person.
The believer is joined to Christ through the mediation of the Holy Spirit...does this mean that the believer is four persons (himself, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit)?
The believer is still one person, living in union with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Likewise, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit mutually indwell one another. I'm not sure why you can't understand this. It's simple to me.
Not the correct understanding of the Holy Trinity. 3 Persons in One in Perfect Harmony. Understand it this way if it helps:
God the Father.............God OF man
God the Son...............God AS man
God the Holy Spirit.........Go WITHIN man.
Man is a triune being, as told by the Apostle Paul, so why do people struggle to understand that God is a Triune God?
1 Thessalonians 5:23) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Soul/spirit/body are not persons so man is not triune.
God of man /God as man/God within man doesn't support trinity and itself is not supported by scripture. God is just God of everything and God above everything including man.
Understanding anti-Trinitarians really isn't too hard.
The vast majority are simply continuing on in their autonomous reasoning process, inherited by Adam. It is the same mechanism that is exhibited in conspiracy theorists.
They have adopted a faulty view based on inadequate information and insist that it is true, despite the efforts of others to show them their inconsistencies.
And, it is quite often associated with cultists, with the same reasoning process and slanders. I am right, you are wrong, despite centuries of church history. You guys are just warmed-over Roman Catholics, blah blah blah.
They keep using the same arguments, even though they've been proven wrong...I think basically their strategy is just to exhaust Christians by attrition...the problem with that, though, is that younger Christians just keep filling the gaps
Christianity cannot be stopped. The gates of hell cannot withstand the assaults of Christianity. It is glorious
The vast majority are simply continuing on in their autonomous reasoning process, inherited by Adam. It is the same mechanism that is exhibited in conspiracy theorists.
They have adopted a faulty view based on inadequate information and insist that it is true, despite the efforts of others to show them their inconsistencies.
And, it is quite often associated with cultists, with the same reasoning process and slanders. I am right, you are wrong, despite centuries of church history. You guys are just warmed-over Roman Catholics, blah blah blah.
They keep using the same arguments, even though they've been proven wrong...I think basically their strategy is just to exhaust Christians by attrition...the problem with that, though, is that younger Christians just keep filling the gaps
Christianity cannot be stopped. The gates of hell cannot withstand the assaults of Christianity. It is glorious
Whatever.
Exactly. The trinitarian argument goes south, as soon as Scriptures are invoked.
Throw away opinions of men and non-scriptural drawings from men.
I recommend you start here;
Act 2:38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Unless it is scriptures, it is a lie;
Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, >>>let God be true, but every man a liar<<<; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Understanding anti-Trinitarians really isn't too hard.
The vast majority are simply continuing on in their autonomous reasoning process, inherited by Adam. It is the same mechanism that is exhibited in conspiracy theorists.
They have adopted a faulty view based on inadequate information and insist that it is true, despite the efforts of others to show them their inconsistencies.
And, it is quite often associated with cultists, with the same reasoning process and slanders. I am right, you are wrong, despite centuries of church history. You guys are just warmed-over Roman Catholics, blah blah blah.
They keep using the same arguments, even though they've been proven wrong...I think basically their strategy is just to exhaust Christians by attrition...the problem with that, though, is that younger Christians just keep filling the gaps
Christianity cannot be stopped. The gates of hell cannot withstand the assaults of Christianity. It is glorious
Understanding polytheistic trinitarians steeped in false god paganism and men's teaching is very easy to understand.
No trinitarian can stand before the Word of God. I've proved it perfectly above
I believe in the trinity, I believe I can defend the doctrine.
If Jesus isnt God, we are all guilty of idolatry. All creation is guilty of idolatry for bowing down to the Lamb.
I believe this verse makes Jesus distinct from creation, since He is eternal and not created.
Revelation 5:13
And I heard every creature in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever!"
If Jesus isnt God, we are all guilty of idolatry. All creation is guilty of idolatry for bowing down to the Lamb.
I believe this verse makes Jesus distinct from creation, since He is eternal and not created.
Revelation 5:13
And I heard every creature in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever!"
Understanding polytheistic trinitarians steeped in false god paganism and men's teaching is very easy to understand.
No trinitarian can stand before the Word of God. I've proved it perfectly above
Funny...
If you understood that Trinitarians teach there is only one God yet three Persons, that would refute your accusation of polytheism.
But, like I said, I used to be a cultist anti-Trinitarian too. There's hope for you.
What view of God's nature do you hold?
Are you Oneness?
If so, how can there be relationships between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
The Oneness sock-puppet theology does not work due to the relationships within the Triune God.
Oneness theology claims, simply, there is one puppet-master (Person), on whose hand is sometimes the Father, sometimes the Son, and sometimes the Holy Spirit.
The Trinitarian doctrine fits perfectly, whether carnal-minded people can understand it or not.
All this nonsense about it being pagan is simply false. Pagans believed, in some cases, in triads of gods, but triads are not Triune..they are three separate gods...so claiming that the Trinity is pagan due to triads of gods is ridiculous.
And, if someone believes in more than one god, they are polytheistic.
The biblical teaching is simply Trinitarian..anti-trinitarians are basically just conspiracy nuts. Usually their claims go along with other nutty theology.
By the way, if you doubt it, follow the non-Trinitarian's other posts and see what kind of other nutty stuff they post.
1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Yes, Jesus is God. The One Lord God. I am Married to the Lamb, my Lord and my God.
You can't defend the idolatrous trinity doctrine. You are welcome to try if you like though.
Let us see if we can agree with the Cornerstone of authority on this beginning at the most important start;
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; >>>The Lord our God is one Lord<<<:
Eph 4:5 one Lord...
Who is our "One Lord God"?
Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
Do you agree so far?
No "explanations" or "opinions" from you, ok? ONLY SCRIPTURES.
See if you can find where these scriptures are wrong, that Jesus is NOT our One Lord God, you may provide them. We will move forward from this First Commandment of God when you agree.
(Question: Have you not married Jesus yet?)
We all start out as trinitarians. There is no new argument they can put forth. But that is all they do, is put forth carnal arguments and slander those who believe in Jesus Christ, the One True God. As I easily proved above, that you said "whatever" to lol. It wasn't real difficult, once I started reading the Bible after throwing away the Nicene Creed and the teachings of men "an egg is yoke/white/shell" nonsense.
I challenged another to engage in scriptures with me on this topic on this thread. If you pay attention to it
you might learn something.
1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Yes, Jesus is God. The One Lord God. I am Married to the Lamb, my Lord and my God.
You can't defend the idolatrous trinity doctrine. You are welcome to try if you like though.
Let us see if we can agree with the Cornerstone of authority on this beginning at the most important start;
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; >>>The Lord our God is one Lord<<<:
Eph 4:5 one Lord...
Who is our "One Lord God"?
Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
Do you agree so far?
No "explanations" or "opinions" from you, ok? ONLY SCRIPTURES.
See if you can find where these scriptures are wrong, that Jesus is NOT our One Lord God, you may provide them. We will move forward from this First Commandment of God when you agree.
(Question: Have you not married Jesus yet?)
First, you don't define the rules of engagement.
Second, women are not competent to teach.
Third, Scripture teaches there is one God. You would not disagree with that.
Fourth, Scripture teaches that there are interpersonal interactions between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It's all over the New Testament.
Therefore, your position is incoherent. You can claim all you want.
By the way, you can see that only about 2 people deny the Trinity. And, I know from experience that they will not yield to truth, so why waste my time?
Explain to me how there can be interpersonal relationships between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit if there is only Person.
There can't be. This is why oneness theology is bankrupt.
The egg analogy is lame. The conclusion you are making is that because some ill-instructed Christians use lame analogies, the Trinity is false. That is faulty reasoning itself.
If you walk into a mathematics class, and some slow learner tells you 1+1 = 3, then would you assume mathematics is not true because a slow learner applies it incorrectly?
I don't think so.
Same in regards to the Trinity doctrine. The reasonableness of the teaching is not dependent on the faulty understandings of some who hold it.
No, I started off as an anti-Trinitarian cultist.
So, you just stated something untrue. You claim that all of us started out as Trinitarians.
I did not.
Therefore, since you are wrong on one thing, you are wrong on all things, using your logic.