Are we in the end times ?

[Oblio]

Another new member with bizarre ideas.

 

[shittim]

His sheep and the adversaries goats are being separated.

 

[JTB]

Those who think everything ended in 70 ad are right but only half right. The are not allowing for prophesy to fully fulfill itself.

God offered the messiah to the Jews. They rejected Him, and suffered their tribulation in 70 ad.

BUT - God then offered the Christ to the world, and now the world is rejecting Him. Thus the world will suffer it's tribulation in the days to come.

Another clue lay in the fact that the Jews thought their Messiah would be a political figure who'd save them from Godless Romans.

Christians now look for a political figure who'll save them from Godless liberals.

The fat lady ain't sung yet. Stand-by for more to come!

 

[ResidentAlien]

The Old Covenant was NOT replaced at the cross. Read Hebrews 8 where the writer compares the two. There would have been no need for a new if the old had been sufficient. But it was lacking. Notice verse 8 for the timing. The writer says that even THEN the Old was growing old, becoming obsolete, and READY to pass away. Why would he write such a thing if the Old Covenant ended at the Cross? It sounds as though it was very much still around. It became obsolete and passed away in A.D. 70 when the Temple and everything having to do with Judaism and the Mosaic Law were burned "with fervent heat" (2 Peter 3). The "end of all things was AT HAND." The end of those "all things" occurred with the destruction of the Temple.

I think you may have a point here, sort of. I've always wondered about Hebrews 8:13. AD 70 could be the point at which it finally disappeared.

There's no question that the old covenant ended when Christ died and rose from the dead. With the introduction of the new, the old ended but not everyone accepted it. It wouldn't totally disappear until AD 70.

 

[ewq1938]

I think you may have a point here, sort of. I've always wondered about Hebrews 8:13. AD 70 could be the point at which it finally disappeared.

There's no question that the old covenant ended when Christ died and rose from the dead. With the introduction of the new, the old ended but not everyone accepted it. It wouldn't totally disappear until AD 70.

For Judaism, it never ended. They lost the temple and priesthood then but they still believe the covenant is valid and are awaiting the first coming of the messiah, a false messiah.

 

[shittim]

I found this and wanted to share- a lot of great resource.
best wishes

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Last-Days

Acts 2:16-18
but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,
‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
Even on My bondslaves, both men and women,
I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit
And they shall prophesy.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Last-Days

 

[JTB]

I found this and wanted to share- a lot of great resource.
best wishes

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Last-Days

Acts 2:16-18
but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,
‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
Even on My bondslaves, both men and women,
I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit
And they shall prophesy.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Last-Days

That presents a problem for those who think prophesy has ceased

 

[Radius]

Another new member with bizarre ideas.

"new"

 

[Oblio]

Yeah, new.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I think you may have a point here, sort of. I've always wondered about Hebrews 8:13. AD 70 could be the point at which it finally disappeared.

There's no question that the old covenant ended when Christ died and rose from the dead. With the introduction of the new, the old ended but not everyone accepted it. It wouldn't totally disappear until AD 70.

70AD might be the end for the Jews, it was just a start for the Gentiles.

 

[Angela53510]

Those who think everything ended in 70 ad are right but only half right. The are not allowing for prophesy to fully fulfill itself.

God offered the messiah to the Jews. They rejected Him, and suffered their tribulation in 70 ad.

BUT - God then offered the Christ to the world, and now the world is rejecting Him. Thus the world will suffer it's tribulation in the days to come.

Another clue lay in the fact that the Jews thought their Messiah would be a political figure who'd save them from Godless Romans.

Christians now look for a political figure who'll save them from Godless liberals.

The fat lady ain't sung yet. Stand-by for more to come!

I agree that a lot of things happened in 70 AD. But not everything. Jesus has not returned, or we would know it.

"Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and 'every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him';
and all peoples on earth 'will mourn because of him.'
So shall it be! Amen." Rev. 1:7

So rather than being a full preterist, I am a partial preterist. Jerusalem and the temple were gone in 70 AD. But important things like Jesus visibly returning did not happen. It makes the best sense to me, in terms of prophecy being"fulfilled in this generation." This generation meaning, the generation Jesus was talking to - those alive in 30 or 33 AD.

"Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation." Matt 23:36

So still the long wait for the return of Jesus Christ!

 

[ResidentAlien]

For Judaism, it never ended. They lost the temple and priesthood then but they still believe the covenant is valid and are awaiting the first coming of the messiah, a false messiah.

I understand, but when the temple was razed in 70 AD that was God saying that's all folks. I know there are still Jews who follow Judaism.

 

[Beckie]

The Third Day is also implied in the parable of Good Samaritan. Jesus himself as the Good Samaritan gave the inn keeper two dinarius to take care of the wounded man and promised to come back in the Third Day and reward the inn keeper. Two dinarius are two days' wages, one day for one millenium, so He will return after two millienia. Also, consider the "birth pang" comparison, I mentioned this in my timeline thread that 41 weeks of gestation are 41 jubilee cycles, which are about 2009 years, and that's the length of the church age. Jesus will return when that time's up.

Yes, there had been a lot of Antichrist figures and these signs of times over the last 2000 years, but all of them were on a regional and temporal scale. That's why they're compared with birth pangs - it feels like water's broke and the baby is coming out, but it's a false alarm, the time has not come yet. However, now you see things happening on a GLOBAL scale, and a global government will rise and rule over the entire earth, then you know the time is near. This "Revived Roman Empire" is predicted in the prophecies. Bible is not being interpreted to fit the circumstance, circumstance is being interpreted to fit the Bible.

Often quoted when questioned about God's timing is

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Often quoted when questioned about God's timing is

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

It's possible to figure out God's schedule, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to convert it into a date on Gregorian calendar.

 

[Magenta]

There's no question that the old covenant ended when Christ died and rose from the dead.

That was the institution of the new. Hebrews 9 explains it well

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19 When Moses had proclaimed every command of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20 He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.” 21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

 

[Beckie]

It's possible to figure out God's schedule, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to convert it into a date on Gregorian calendar.

You believe you have God's schedule figured out?
I quoted Pet 3:8 for the fun of it... One cant help but notice when it is used and when it is not .

 

[JTB]

It's possible to figure out God's schedule, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to convert it into a date on Gregorian calendar.

We won't know the date but we'll know the season.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You believe you have God's schedule figured out?
I quoted Pet 3:8 for the fun of it... One cant help but notice when it is used and when it is not .

This schedule of 7000 year master plan is nothing new, not any kind of date-setting, it’s a very ancient Jewish belief, and it generally lines up with biblical chronology.

 

[Beckie]

This schedule of 7000 year master plan is nothing new, not any kind of date-setting, it’s a very ancient Jewish belief, and it generally lines up with biblical chronology.

First time i heard something like that was about mid 1950s . Been a long time ago cant remember where i heard it... again not a date but claiming the 2000 would be the day of rest . their for rapture would be happening just before the "day of rest "

 

[shittim]

We are running out of time to earn crowns to lay at His feet?