Are we in the end times ?
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Exactly! The last days were the last days of the apostate Israel Jesus condemned in Matthew 23. They were, in their very own GENERATION, be judged for "all the righteous blood shed on the earth." This is why Peter wrote: "The end of ALL THINGS is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). He was referring to the end of the Old Covenant and Judaism. That came to end in A.D. 70 when Jerusalem and the Temple were completely destroyed. ALL of the THINGS of Judaism were brought to an end in the full coming of the New Covenant. We are now living in the endless age that was in Jesus' day "about to come."
We aren't in an endless age. The old covenant was replaced at the cross not in AD70.
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On the day of Pentecost Peter quoted Joel, a last days prophesy and said "this is that". Yet the sun turned dark and the moon red was still future. If these other things occur soon and all the destruction parts of prophesy about the Last days happens soon, as in before 2500 wouldn't it be true that the last 2000 or 2200 years for example, could be called the last days of the history of mankind if the history of mankind is 6000 to 10000 years? If it gets to 3000 then that does stretch it, since it would make what Peter said to be in the middle days rather than the last days. And since the Bible is true and can't be reinterpreted to fit circumstance I believe that we are at the very end and if we are then the last 2000 years could still be called the last days of human history.
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The house of Judah is finally, and in earnest, starting to recognize Yeshua as their Messiah. The Lord is starting to wake up the natural branches of the house of Israel to their true identity. The Lord will make the two houses one in His hand. He will fulfill His word.
I believe that we are in the last days of the end of the age of grace. I don't mean literal 24 hour periods. But the signs are there.
I see that there is a major push to bring in Antichrist and the one-world government.
I believe that we are in the last days of the end of the age of grace. I don't mean literal 24 hour periods. But the signs are there.
I see that there is a major push to bring in Antichrist and the one-world government.
This interpretation would not fit all of the scriptures on the Last Days. Those texts cover more than just the end of Judaism.
And what do we say about Israel today. Are they now exempt from Last Day destruction prophesies?
The Old Covenant was NOT replaced at the cross. Read Hebrews 8 where the writer compares the two. There would have been no need for a new if the old had been sufficient. But it was lacking. Notice verse 8 for the timing. The writer says that even THEN the Old was growing old, becoming obsolete, and READY to pass away. Why would he write such a thing if the Old Covenant ended at the Cross? It sounds as though it was very much still around. It became obsolete and passed away in A.D. 70 when the Temple and everything having to do with Judaism and the Mosaic Law were burned "with fervent heat" (2 Peter 3). The "end of all things was AT HAND." The end of those "all things" occurred with the destruction of the Temple.
Unless, of course, Joel 2:30 was fulfilled already.
You mean ...The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. ...
happened in 70 AD from the fires burning and the smoke just darkened the day from the perspective of those local people on the ground? Yeah, maybe but I think its really a cosmic event because of Rev 8.
And maybe Revelation 8 is both metaphorical and localized.
Yes it was.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Christ's death on the cross made the new testament/covenant begin which replaced old testament/covenant.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Yes, some of these books I have present that view. They haven't convinced me yet. But I am still reading.
Yes we're definitely at the end times. Unlike any other times in history, for the first time we have the capability to blow up the whole earth with nukes, and also the capability to tamper with human DNA; from the perspective of bible prophecies, for the first time Israel was reborn in the Holy Land, and many Jews come to Jesus. This is not another "hard times create strong men" cycle. This is the end.
There's an interesting ancient rabbonic phylosophy regarding to the end of the world, that all physical beings of the global population is like a bucket, and the spiritual beings are like water slowly poured into that bucket to fill it up. As the global population increases, the bucket grows bigger, and more water is pour into it. Even at times of war, famine, plague and natural disasters like the Black Plague when there were massive casualties, there was still a net increase of global population, so it was still able to contain the water; but when there's a significant net DECREASE of global population, then the water will overflow, you'll see all those fallen angels being released as it is described in Revelation, then the end will come.
There's an interesting ancient rabbonic phylosophy regarding to the end of the world, that all physical beings of the global population is like a bucket, and the spiritual beings are like water slowly poured into that bucket to fill it up. As the global population increases, the bucket grows bigger, and more water is pour into it. Even at times of war, famine, plague and natural disasters like the Black Plague when there were massive casualties, there was still a net increase of global population, so it was still able to contain the water; but when there's a significant net DECREASE of global population, then the water will overflow, you'll see all those fallen angels being released as it is described in Revelation, then the end will come.
Lately, I've been meditating on the significance of Jesus' dual aspect of both priest and lamb, also and that relevance to Hebrews 7:11-28, and in particular 15-6, "And this point is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not by a law of succession, but by the power of an indestructible life,
Am I'm mistaken to think that Jesus comes from a dual lineage? Mary is Elizabeth's cousin, who is a daughter of Aaron (Luke 1:5), the high priest.
At the death of the high priest, of the Levitical system, there is a successor. Yet, who then can succeed a priest who's life is indestructible? So if I'm following correctly, Jesus' death, from the Levitical standpoint, ended the Levitical system and provided no possibility of succession on account of an undying priesthood as much as His perpetual sacrifice (27 Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices...: He sacrificed for sin once and for all when He offered up Himself.)
In Daniel 9:27 the Messiah CONFIRMED the Old Covenant - "He shall confirm a covenant with many", and at the last supper He made the new covenant: "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Matt. 26:28). All the animal sacrifice was meant to COVER the sin, only His blood washes away the sin. The old Levitical system was legally ended on the cross, A.D. 70 was the nail in the coffin that officially, physically and historically ended the system. This all has fallen into the 70 week prophecy. I had a long and detailed discussion on that in my first thread on this forum to demonstrate that Jesus, not Antichrist, fulfilled those 70 weeks.
Agreed.
Hosea5:14-6:3's "after TWO DAYS" (from the perspective in time of His ascension, per the text) and "IN the THIRD DAY" (same issue, and note the context pertains to Israel / Israel's future) are what I perceive is what is being referred to as "these last days" - https://biblehub.com/text/hebrews/1-2.htm (Heb1:2)--of which there are THREE TOTAL... or, three millennia--the THIRD being what is commonly referred to as "the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom," commencing upon His "return" to the earth Rev19;
...and which "THIRD" would be the same as the SEVENTH (day, or millennia)... And Ex31:13,17 had said, "It [/the seventh day, or sabbath] is a SIGN between Me and the children of Israel for ever." See also Heb4:9 "There remaineth therefore a sabbatismos to [/for] the people of God."
Agreed.
Hosea5:14-6:3's "after TWO DAYS" (from the perspective in time of His ascension, per the text) and "IN the THIRD DAY" (same issue, and note the context pertains to Israel / Israel's future) are what I perceive is what is being referred to as "these last days" - https://biblehub.com/text/hebrews/1-2.htm (Heb1:2)--of which there are THREE TOTAL... or, three millennia--the THIRD being what is commonly referred to as "the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom," commencing upon His "return" to the earth Rev19;
...and which "THIRD" would be the same as the SEVENTH (day, or millennia)... And Ex31:13,17 had said, "It [/the seventh day, or sabbath] is a SIGN between Me and the children of Israel for ever." See also Heb4:9 "There remaineth therefore a sabbatismos to [/for] the people of God."
The Third Day is also implied in the parable of Good Samaritan. Jesus himself as the Good Samaritan gave the inn keeper two dinarius to take care of the wounded man and promised to come back in the Third Day and reward the inn keeper. Two dinarius are two days' wages, one day for one millenium, so He will return after two millienia. Also, consider the "birth pang" comparison, I mentioned this in my timeline thread that 41 weeks of gestation are 41 jubilee cycles, which are about 2009 years, and that's the length of the church age. Jesus will return when that time's up.
Yes, there had been a lot of Antichrist figures and these signs of times over the last 2000 years, but all of them were on a regional and temporal scale. That's why they're compared with birth pangs - it feels like water's broke and the baby is coming out, but it's a false alarm, the time has not come yet. However, now you see things happening on a GLOBAL scale, and a global government will rise and rule over the entire earth, then you know the time is near. This "Revived Roman Empire" is predicted in the prophecies. Bible is not being interpreted to fit the circumstance, circumstance is being interpreted to fit the Bible.
Really. If you think this current world is the best it can be under Jesus' rule, well, you don't have very high asperations for our savior's abilities.