Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?
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amen I agree our time in heaven after we pass away from this world , is only until He restores the new earth and returns as in the beginning. What we see there in revelation has always been his Will he says it multiple times but man kept failing him
It was even offered in the law
“If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; …..And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
…..But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.”
Leviticus 26:3, 11-12, 14-16 KJV
they chose the curse and broke the covenant it’s what he designed at creation for man and God to dwell together on the earth apart from sin and death we corrupted everything and he went into the heavens so he didn’t destroy us now he’s offered salvstion through Christ , calling us into the heavens until he deetroys everything and renews creation for us all
it’s been happening all
Along
Keep following the words of our LORD and you will be on the path of Truth.
But do not add or take away from Scripture for that only produces confusion - which we must to avoid as it does not come from God.
God is not the author of confusion.
1 Thess 4:13-18 & Revelation 1:7
A.) Christ leaves Heaven and descends to where we are.
B.) He remains in the clouds above our heads where "every eye shall see Him"
C.) He sounds the Trumpet call - the Last Trump - and the Dead in Christ are Resurrected
D.) After that the remaining Saints who are alive at His Coming are raptured up to meet the resurrected Saints in the clouds
E.) more to events to take place according to the Word
I am on this discussion to compare scripture with scripture to make sure I know the Truth.
Don't be shy or negative - be informative and follow the straight and narrow path that leads to Life.
Jesus is a post tribber so you're outta luck with that one
"after the the tribulation of those days .... they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
You have confused the Second Coming of Christ with the Resurrection/Rapture. These are two very distinct and different events separated by at least 7 years.
OK then. Please quote the very best verse that shows Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.Hello Lori
I am a staunch, (as in nonnegotiable) pretrib premillenniallist. I think the rapture is one of the most solid biblical doctrines there is in all of the Bible.
That would settle the matter totally.
Well, the Bible says that resurrection is the first. So I believe it. And the Bible describes the resurrection of the saved in the singular every time. And I believe that.
Rev 20:5 actually involves 2 resurrections; that of the saved, which is the FIRST, and that of the unsaved, which will occur for the GWT judgment.
Check post 274.
The aspect of the 7 years spoken of in Daniel is intriguing.
Can you bring forth and post the scriptures where our LORD and the Apostles mention the 7 Years - thank you.
How about you define the term “rapture”? We all know that means being “caught up”, but you could be “caught up” in a lot of situations, that doesn’t necessarily mean a sudden disappearance, teleportation or ascension. The only event similar to Jesus’s resurrection and ascension is the resurrection and ascension of the Two Witnesses, but that’s AFTER the three and half years, which means POST trib.
Correct, "rapture" doesn't mean a glorified trip to heaven. Not even the 2W were given glorified bodies and taken to heaven. They were taken to heaven, but even they are awaiting their glorified bodies, which will occur "when He comes", as 1 Cor 15:23 says:
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
Red words: Second Advent
Blue words: EVERY believer from Adam forward
This verse summarizes the singular resurrection of the saved. All saved will be given glorified bodies at the same event; "when He comes".
Jesus doesn't come back until after the 2W are taken to heaven. They will taken to heaven the SAME WAY they were taken the first time they went to heaven.
And I believe the Bible, too, but it abbreviates a lot of things, generalizes, summarizes, in really vague ways. For example, when we divide the word it requires cross referencing maybe a dozen verses just to build a doctrine because it isn’t plainly stated in a singular place what you want to try to prove.
The more imprecise something is the more convoluted it becomes. Nothing you have said in post 274 directly undermines what I just said.
Your point about all resurrections being referred to in the singular isn’t really what is happening. Yes the first resurrection before the MK is a singular resurrection, but so is the resurrection after it. This is just so the syntax and semantics are clear to the reader.
A perfect example of this is John 5:29:
John 5:29
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
This verse sounds like there is a singular resurrection of the good and damned, but actually this isn’t a singular resurrection, there are two different resurrections spread out over a span of over 1,000 years.
The first resurrection has two groups, each group experiencing a singular resurrection, separated by a period of 1,000 years per Revelation 20:5.
I hope that makes more sense.
If you are saying that as glorified bodies we are not on the new Earth then I disagree but if you are saying we will have different roles then sure that may be the case. Even though I also believe we all are brought into the royal priesthood through the blood and being reborn as God's children.
But this is also getting into describing eternity and there is much we do not know.
Revelation 21:3
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
To me it is clear that Heaven and Earth will be intertwined as we will be in presence of the Lord who now dwells among the people and God's throne is with them. God's dwelling place is where we are.
Galatians 3:28–29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
We are included in the Abraham promise and heirs to that promise. Technically in the eyes of God we are one in Christ.
I agree and so excited to see and experience that type of place where we can easily fellowship with Jesus, the apostles, the martyrs, etc and enjoy the paradise God created.