All things James

[Absolutely]

Well, you made a claim that there was no distinction, I showed you a passage from Acts that showed James and the elders believing otherwise.

Once you combined that realization with another, that the book of James was written way before Acts 21, it becomes clearer what James was actually saying in James 2.

It is one thing to hone in on dynamics of the bible.
Another thing entirely to discredit it by having jesus and non pauline apostles preaching a different gospel than paul.

THEY ALL KNEW THE PLAN OF SALVATION.

At the jerusalem council peter spoke and paul was silent.

The word of God is for me. Every word of it...Not just Paul.

 

[jb]

The Epistle of James was inspired by the Holy Spirit through James (also referred to as "James the Just"), the half brother of Our Lord and the brother of Jude (who wrote the epistle of the same name) Mark 6v1-6, and it was written by James in remembrance off the holy life of the Lord Jesus Whom he lived with at Nazareth for thirty (30) years, and should be read, considered and meditated upon with this in mind.

 

[John146]

The Epistle of James was inspired by the Holy Spirit through James (also referred to as "James the Just"), the half brother of Our Lord and the brother of Jude (who wrote the epistle of the same name) Mark 6v1-6, and it was written by James in remembrance off the holy life of the Lord Jesus Whom he lived with at Nazareth for thirty (30) years, and should be read, considered and meditated upon with this in mind.

Wrong, James of Zebedee.

 

[John146]

It is one thing to hone in on dynamics of the bible.
Another thing entirely to discredit it by having jesus and non pauline apostles preaching a different gospel than paul.

THEY ALL KNEW THE PLAN OF SALVATION.

At the jerusalem council peter spoke and paul was silent.

The word of God is for me. Every word of it...Not just Paul.

Not before the cross...their minds were blinded. There’s no such thing as looking forward to the cross, especially His disciples. They had no clue the cross and resurrection was coming.

 

[Judges1318]

The Twelve tribes however, always refers to the entire nation, never Christians from that nation.

I have no problem with that.
Gentiles joined themselves to the believing Jews, who were already meeting together, in those first days of the gentiles receiving the grace of God by faith. The gentiles did not separate from the believing Jews until later, when they started getting persecuted because of their association with the Jews. Which is sad, because look how that turned out.

 

[Judges1318]

So why the address to the twelve tribes if James is not writing to the whole nation of Israel?

Did you not 'hear' what I said.
The church is Jewish at this time.
Gentiles were not receiving the gift of life through Jesus until perhaps 10 years later.
Peter's revelation that led to the household of Cornelius being converted was the big wake up for the Jerusalem church that, hey, the gentiles are going to be part of this, too. I've heard that was a good 10 years after the resurrection.

 

[John146]

Did you not 'hear' what I said.
The church is Jewish at this time.
Gentiles were not receiving the gift of life through Jesus until perhaps 10 years later.
Peter's revelation that led to the household of Cornelius being converted was the big wake up for the Jerusalem church that, hey, the gentiles are going to be part of this, too. I've heard that was a good 10 years after the resurrection.

Yes, but the term twelve tribes means the entire nation, not just believing Jews. Obviously, there were those who needed to receive the word and have their souls saved.

1:21 21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

 

[jb]

Wrong, James of Zebedee.

The Church fathers and commentators would disagree with you and say it was indeed written by James, our Lord's half brother! Gal 1v19...

But then you seem to know better... Lol

 

[Guojing]

It is one thing to hone in on dynamics of the bible.
Another thing entirely to discredit it by having jesus and non pauline apostles preaching a different gospel than paul.

THEY ALL KNEW THE PLAN OF SALVATION.

At the jerusalem council peter spoke and paul was silent.

The word of God is for me. Every word of it...Not just Paul.[/QUOTE

And you go on and on about your pre tribulation doctrine

As I have stated you are the first anti mid acts I have encountered that also believes in pre tribulation.

Other people might consider that contradictory

 

[Judges1318]

Yes, but the term twelve tribes means the entire nation, not just believing Jews. Obviously, there were those who needed to receive the word and have their souls saved.

The only unsaved Jew in the church at that time would be the Jew with a secret interest in becoming saved.

A believing Jew was the epitome of what it meant to be disowned by your people. You did not associate with a believing Jew. You were considered dead if you were a Jew and you believed in Christ, that is, if another Jew didn't actually kill you for believing in Jesus. So, you can trust there was no co-mingling of saved and unsaved Jews in the church that made it so James had to have been writing to both. Not a chance. Don't project our modern day concept of church being for unsaved people onto how it actually was in the early church. You had to get saved THEN join the church.

 

[John146]

The only unsaved Jew in the church at that time would be the Jew with a secret interest in becoming saved.

A believing Jew was the epitome of what it meant to be disowned by your people. You did not associate with a believing Jew. You were considered dead if you were a Jew and you believed in Christ, that is, if another Jew didn't actually kill you for believing in Jesus. So, you can trust there was no co-mingling of saved and unsaved Jews in the church that made it so James had to have been writing to both. Not a chance. Don't project our modern day concept of church being for unsaved people onto how it actually was in the early church. You had to get saved THEN join the church.

You’re missing the point. James is not writing to the body of Christ, but the entire nation of Israel.

The term twelve tribes is used all throughout Scripture, and is always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never to a called out group from that nation. Genesis 49:28, Exodus 24:4, 28:21, Ezekiel 47:13. And the NT is no different: Matt 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 26:7, Revelation 21:12. There is no justification for taking this as anything other than an address to the twelve tribes of Israel. In order to make James a Christian epistle would mean to contradict every other usage of this term in Scripture. It is certainly not a reference to the diaspora.

 

[Judges1318]

You’re missing the point. James is not writing to the body of Christ, but the entire nation of Israel.

The term twelve tribes is used all throughout Scripture, and is always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never to a called out group from that nation. Genesis 49:28, Exodus 24:4, 28:21, Ezekiel 47:13. And the NT is no different: Matt 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 26:7, Revelation 21:12. There is no justification for taking this as anything other than an address to the twelve tribes of Israel. In order to make James a Christian epistle would mean to contradict every other usage of this term in Scripture. It is certainly not a reference to the diaspora.

An unbelieving Jew would in no way shape or form entertain a letter from a believing Jew.

Obviously, James is addressing Christ believing Jews:

"1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons." - James 2:1

He sure ain't saying that to the entire nation of Israel, that's for sure.

 

[Absolutely]

""And you go on and on about your pre tribulation doctrine ""



Yes
I have never consulted your permission.

Or approval.

Btw,it is a forum.

 

[Guojing]

""And you go on and on about your pre tribulation doctrine ""



Yes
I have never consulted your permission.

Or approval.

Btw,it is a forum.

So did Jesus and the 12 apostles also preached the rapture of the body of Christ, while the unbelieving Jews will face the Tribulation, since they are all preaching the same gospel that Paul did?

 

[Absolutely]

You’re missing the point. James is not writing to the body of Christ, but the entire nation of Israel.

The term twelve tribes is used all throughout Scripture, and is always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never to a called out group from that nation. Genesis 49:28, Exodus 24:4, 28:21, Ezekiel 47:13. And the NT is no different: Matt 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 26:7, Revelation 21:12. There is no justification for taking this as anything other than an address to the twelve tribes of Israel. In order to make James a Christian epistle would mean to contradict every other usage of this term in Scripture. It is certainly not a reference to the diaspora.

Was james written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,or someone misguided named james?

 

[Absolutely]

So did Jesus and the 12 apostles also preached the rapture of the body of Christ, while the unbelieving Jews will face the Tribulation, since they are all preaching the same gospel that Paul did?

Seems you have some underlying contempt for me.

You really think Jesus was misguided in his teaching of watching and waiting?

 

[Absolutely]

An unbelieving Jew would in no way shape or form entertain a letter from a believing Jew.

Obviously, James is addressing Christ believing Jews:

"1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons." - James 2:1

He sure ain't saying that to the entire nation of Israel, that's for sure.

Yep
No brainer

They somehow need it be a misguided book.

 

[Absolutely]

Tell me,hyper paulines, was/is the bible written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,or was it written by men,...some of whom being misguided?

 

[Guojing]

Seems you have some underlying contempt for me.

You really think Jesus was misguided in his teaching of watching and waiting?

I did not say that, you did.

All I am asking you is, do you have scripture that showed he taught the rapture of the Body of Christ during the time of the 4 Gospels?

Its fine for you to answer with a No.

 

[Chris1975]

I did not say that, you did.

All I am asking you is, do you have scripture that showed he taught the rapture of the Body of Christ during the time of the 4 Gospels?

Its fine for you to answer with a No.

Jesus did teach about a rapture (Matthew 24), and in this case it is after the tribulation and is the the Body of Christ (Jewish believers). Paul spoke of the Rapture of the Body of Christ before the tribulation (Gentiles and some Jewish believers).

There are two raptures.

The order is this:

1) Church is raptured pre-trib, bringing the time of the fullness of the Gentiles to its completion.
2) Those who remain (Gentiles) come under strong delusion and follow the beast, take the mark. Note there will be some who call themselves Christians who will be left behind, because they had not the love of the truth.
3) Once again Israel comes into God's favour and grace. Eyes open and they (a remnant) turn to the true Messiah.
4) Antichrist pursues global domination agenda and global worship and submission, including persecution of Israel. God protects Israel remnant.
5) Antichrist does not have it all his way, and there are armies who resist him. Armageddon occurs.
6) Jerusalem is half way overrun (Zech 14), when Christ returns. Believing Israel is raptured to meet Christ
7) Jesus executes judgement on the earth, overthrowing the beast and his false prophet, and they are thrown directly into the lake of fire. Satan is bound (start of the 1000 year incarceration of Satan, and the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth).