Alcohol Damages Health

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Politically motivated point from the Left, I’m sure! Even God tells us to drink a little wine for health…..

-"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities."
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV


I've used beverage alcohol for personal solvent extracts of medicinal plants. When I use it, it's one or two dropperfuls. The nutrients are extracted and concentrated for proper dosages. They provide me what drugs cannot.
As far as health benefits of alcohol as an ingredient, I honestly know of none. Do you?

The thing I see consistently is that most preachers apply to I Timothy 5:23 an alcohol perspective.
I personally don't care one way or another what you drink. I'm just not convinced that you preachers are right about God commanding Timothy to drink an alcoholic beverage. Anyone who has studied basic gastroenterology knows that the last thing you want to suggest to someone suffering from a stomach or gut problem is alcohol. Water is of more benefit.
However, I have seen the grace of God recently and last year from use of specific organic juices. Certain varieties of Unoxidized fresh or bottled/jar juices contain beneficial components/phytochemicals that exceed the synthetic chemicals Rxd by medical drs. in my experiences.
 
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God literally gives the Israelites permission to buy and drink alcohol in verse 26. Some translations even use the term intoxicating drink instead of strong drink. This does not mean God wants drunkenness, but enjoying a drink seems to be fine

Deuteronomy 14:22-26
"You shall certainly tithe all the produce from what you sow, which comes from the field every year. You shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. But if the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your God blesses you, then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the Lord your God chooses. And you may spend the money on whatever your heart desires: on oxen, sheep, wine, other strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household."
 
I've used beverage alcohol for personal solvent extracts of medicinal plants. When I use it, it's one or two dropperfuls. The nutrients are extracted and concentrated for proper dosages. They provide me what drugs cannot.
As far as health benefits of alcohol as an ingredient, I honestly know of none. Do you?

The thing I see consistently is that most preachers apply to I Timothy 5:23 an alcohol perspective.
I personally don't care one way or another what you drink. I'm just not convinced that you preachers are right about God commanding Timothy to drink an alcoholic beverage. Anyone who has studied basic gastroenterology knows that the last thing you want to suggest to someone suffering from a stomach or gut problem is alcohol. Water is of more benefit.
However, I have seen the grace of God recently and last year from use of specific organic juices. Certain varieties of Unoxidized fresh or bottled/jar juices contain beneficial components/phytochemicals that exceed the synthetic chemicals Rxd by medical drs. in my experiences.

I know juices contain a high amount of sugars, which I heard are not good for health. Kvass is a fermented beet juice that helps to purify the blood, among other things (I make this myself). Kombucha is another fermented beverage made from bacteria that’s very beneficial.

So why is it so hard to believe that fermented grape juice (wine) would not be beneficial too? Mankind has been drinking it for centuries. This was Jesus’ first known miracle, turning gallons of water into the best wine ever!

If God indicates it’s good, who are we to question it?

-"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities."
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV
 
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God literally gives the Israelites permission to buy and drink alcohol in verse 26. Some translations even use the term intoxicating drink instead of strong drink. This does not mean God wants drunkenness, but enjoying a drink seems to be fine

Deuteronomy 14:22-26
"You shall certainly tithe all the produce from what you sow, which comes from the field every year. You shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. But if the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your God blesses you, then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the Lord your God chooses. And you may spend the money on whatever your heart desires: on oxen, sheep, wine, other strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household."

True, but we are not called to tithe in the NT.
 
I've used beverage alcohol for personal solvent extracts of medicinal plants. When I use it, it's one or two dropperfuls. The nutrients are extracted and concentrated for proper dosages. They provide me what drugs cannot.
As far as health benefits of alcohol as an ingredient, I honestly know of none. Do you?

The thing I see consistently is that most preachers apply to I Timothy 5:23 an alcohol perspective.
I personally don't care one way or another what you drink. I'm just not convinced that you preachers are right about God commanding Timothy to drink an alcoholic beverage. Anyone who has studied basic gastroenterology knows that the last thing you want to suggest to someone suffering from a stomach or gut problem is alcohol. Water is of more benefit.
However, I have seen the grace of God recently and last year from use of specific organic juices. Certain varieties of Unoxidized fresh or bottled/jar juices contain beneficial components/phytochemicals that exceed the synthetic chemicals Rxd by medical drs. in my experiences.

If I may comment, just as one who has fairly extensive experience with growing food and preserving it.....

Grapes would have been harvested and either pressed or dried in July-August (the feast of new wine is held in late July).

I'm sure some non-alcoholic juice was enjoyed sweet and fresh but the majority of the harvest would have begun to ferment (or spoil) almost immediately.

Since the grape crop comes in all at once it has to be preserved all at once. Unlike modern wine producers who only make their wares available after a specific number of months of aging, ancient wine was likely enjoyed at random intervals throughout the year, and the alcohol level would correspond to the number of months since the last grape harvest.

"New wine" was described as an active fermentation product, which is why Jesus said not to put new wine in old bottles (the fermentation gasses would burst them), but of course we know He was actually talking about The Holy Spirit. Anyways......

Active fermentation products contain live yeasts and other probiotic cultures that are extremely beneficial to gut health, so Paul encouraging Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach was actually spot-on.... it probably would have been more like taking a shot of strong kombucha, though we know it was possible to get drunk on new wine if you had enough of it. The key would be moderation.
 
If I may comment, just as one who has fairly extensive experience with growing food and preserving it.....

Grapes would have been harvested and either pressed or dried in July-August (the feast of new wine is held in late July).

I'm sure some non-alcoholic juice was enjoyed sweet and fresh but the majority of the harvest would have begun to ferment (or spoil) almost immediately.

Since the grape crop comes in all at once it has to be preserved all at once. Unlike modern wine producers who only make their wares available after a specific number of months of aging, ancient wine was likely enjoyed at random intervals throughout the year, and the alcohol level would correspond to the number of months since the last grape harvest.

"New wine" was described as an active fermentation product, which is why Jesus said not to put new wine in old bottles (the fermentation gasses would burst them), but of course we know He was actually talking about The Holy Spirit. Anyways......

Active fermentation products contain live yeasts and other probiotic cultures that are extremely beneficial to gut health, so Paul encouraging Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach was actually spot-on.... it probably would have been more like taking a shot of strong kombucha, though we know it was possible to get drunk on new wine if you had enough of it. The key would be moderation.

Kombucha would have a compliment of bacteria from that stage of fermentation for sure.
If Timothy had a digestive problem in the lower intestine, it's theoretical that may help.

We can also preserve wine without alcohol just like one can preserve it with the stage of fermentation that produces it.
My grandfather pruned vineyards in Italy. The most money that vineyards bring in is from aged alcoholic wine.
However, my American Dad and Uncle stored freshly harvested wine with no fermentation taking place.most people forget that there's a way to store it without fermentation too. It just doesn't bring as much value to the market. There's not much money for all the hard time and labor of processing the old fashioned way, juice aka wine with no preservatives. It'll safely keep sealed for years in a dark cool place.


Unfermented wine is a luxury too and a special treat, like you said, seasonal crop.
My favorite is eating them fresh from the vine, the sooner the better. I don't know if it's living enzymes, but it boosts my mood and energy very noticably.

There's a case you can make for the kombucha. I happen to have a bottle of a non-alcohol unique cola kombucha that is refrigerated right now. I'm saving it for a special occasion. I had it once before and it tasted better than cokacola. It was made with medicinal mushrooms. I never buy things like that, but it was on sale and I was very curious. This will be the second time.
 
I know juices contain a high amount of sugars, which I heard are not good for health. Kvass is a fermented beet juice that helps to purify the blood, among other things (I make this myself). Kombucha is another fermented beverage made from bacteria that’s very beneficial.

So why is it so hard to believe that fermented grape juice (wine) would not be beneficial too? Mankind has been drinking it for centuries. This was Jesus’ first known miracle, turning gallons of water into the best wine ever!

If God indicates it’s good, who are we to question it?

-"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities."
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV


The term for wine in the Bible is the same for juice that is either fermented or unfermented.
The way to know the difference is the context. Some passages it is not black and white clear when looking at the isolated passage.

I have recommended 100% Cranberry juice aka non-alcoholic Biblically speaking wine for Urinary problems. Everyone I know of who has drunk a jar of it upon initial symptoms has responded quickly. That's far better than many unfortunate others who have suffered from hospital treatments of cocktails of 5 different IV antibiotics and the best medicine LOT$ of $$$$$$$ can buy.
God proved to me that He is the Great Physician and the remedies that He created kick butt. Jesus and the Father win!
 
...... my American Dad and Uncle stored freshly harvested wine with no fermentation taking place......most people forget that there's a way to store it without fermentation too......... It'll safely keep sealed for years in a dark cool place.

I'm curious, did your Dad and Uncle "can" the juice, aka pasteurize it and put it in sterilized Mason jars with the special sealed lids? That's definitely a viable modern option (that I have used myself), but it did not come into practice until the 1800s.

I'm curious if they maybe used a more ancient method, like one that would have been available during Jesus's time?

I've never heard of non-alcoholic kombucha but I'm glad you found some you like! 😎 Does it still have the live cultures in it? I'm trying to think how it could have the cultures and still be ZERO alcohol, even sourdough has a little bit of alcohol in it. 🤔
 
In another thread there are drunks advocating for drinking the booze claiming it's healthy... but recent medical studies are now proving that NO amount of alcohol is healthy for one's body

it's known medical fact that alcohol is harmful to your health and Christians
have been bought with a price they are not their own and are called to glorify
God in their bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) so drinking alcohol is sinful behavior.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;
for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Christians have no right to abuse their body by ingesting alcohol.
Those that don't take their relationship with the Lord seriously
would be the ones drinking booze while claiming to be Christians.



Medical STUDY - No Safe Level of Alcohol
Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle Washington

Paris (AFP) - Even an occasional glass of wine or beer increases the risk of health problems and dying, according to a major study on drinking in 195 nations that attributes 2.8 million premature deaths worldwide each year to booze.

"There is no safe level of alcohol," said Max Griswold, a researcher at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle, Washington and lead author for a consortium of more than 500 experts.

Despite recent research showing that light-to-moderate drinking reduces heart disease, the new study found that alcohol use is more likely than not to do harm.

"The protective effect of alcohol was offset by the risks," Griswold told AFP in summarising the results, published in medical journal The Lancet on Friday.

"Overall, the health risks associated with alcohol rose in line with the amount consumed each day."

Compared to abstinence, imbibing one "standard drink" -- 10 grammes of alcohol, equivalent to a small beer, glass of wine or shot of spirits -- per day, for example, ups the odds of developing at least one of two dozen health problems by about half-a-percent, the researchers reported.

Looked at one way, that seems like a small increment: 914 out of 100,000 teetotallers will encounter those problems, compared to 918 people who imbibe seven times per week.

"But at the global level, that additional risk of 0.5 percent among (once-a-day) drinkers corresponds to about 100,000 additional deaths each year," said senior author Emmanuela Gakidou, a professor at the University of Washington and a director at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.

- 'Less is better, none is best' -

"Those are excess deaths, in other words, that could be avoided," she told AFP.

The risk climbs in a steep "J-curve", the study found.

An average of two drinks per day, for example, translated into a 7.0 percent hike in disease and injury compared to those who opt for abstinence.

With five "units" of alcohol per day, the likelihood of serious consequences jumps by 37 percent.

The "less is better, none is best" finding jibes with the World Health Organization's long-standing position, but is at odds with many national guidelines, especially in the developed world.

Britain's health authority, for example, suggests not exceeding 14 drinks per week "to keep health risks from alcohol to a low level".

"There is always a lag between the publication of new evidence and the modification and adoption of revised guidelines," said Gakidou, who admitted to being an "occasional drinker" herself.

"The evidence shows what the evidence shows, and I -- like 2.4 billion other people on the planet that also consume alcohol -- need to take it seriously."

Overall, drinking was the seventh leading risk factor for premature death and disease in 2016, accounting for just over two percent of deaths in women and nearly seven percent in men.

The top six killers are high blood pressure, smoking, low-birth weight and premature delivery, high blood sugar (diabetes), obesity and pollution.

But in the 15-49 age bracket, alcohol emerged as the most lethal factor, responsible for more than 12 percent of deaths among men, the study found.

- The 95 percent club -

The main causes of alcohol-related deaths in this age group were tuberculosis, road injuries and "self-harm", mainly suicide.

King's College London professor Robyn Burton, who did not take part in the study, described it as "the most comprehensive estimate of the global burden of alcohol use to date."

The examination of impacts drew from more than 600 earlier studies, while a country-by-country tally of prevalence -- the percentage of men and women who drink, and how much they consume -- drew from another 700.

Both were grounded in new methods that compensated for the shortcomings of earlier efforts.

Among men, drinking alcohol in 2016 was most widespread in Denmark (97 percent), along with Norway, Argentina, Germany, and Poland (94 percent).

In Asia, South Korean men took the lead, with 91 percent hitting the bottle at least once in a while.

Among women, Danes also ranked first (95 percent), followed by Norway (91 percent), Germany and Argentina (90 percent), and New Zealand (89 percent).

The biggest drinkers, however, were found elsewhere.

Men in Romania who partake knocked back a top-scoring eight drinks a day on average, with Portugal, Luxembourg, Lithuania and Ukraine just behind at seven "units" per day.

Ukranian women who drink were in a league of their own, putting away more than four glasses or shots every 24 hours, followed by Andorra, Luxembourg, Belarus, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland and Britain, all averaging about three per day.

Source - https://www.yahoo.com/news/zero-tolerance-no-safe-level-alcohol-study-says-224245668.html
Alcohol is like a gun, both can be used for good or evil.
The Lord Jesus turned water into wine, and many drank and enjoyed the wedding more than they would have if the Lord Jesus didn't do that for them.
Some claim that the wine was only grape juice, and non alcoholic but most agree that it was alcoholic and not only that, the wine would have been a top shelf fine wine, the type rich people pay thousands of dollars for.


I was a drunkard, or (alcoholic) as they call it these days. My Pastor told me that drunkenness is a sin and no drunkard will inherit the Kingdom of God, but there's a big difference in drinking a glass of wine to celebrate something and drinking a bottle to inebriate oneself.

We hear people say, guns should be banned, but a gun is an inanimate object with no life of it's own. So it needs a psychopath to use it for evil purposes. Likewise alcohol can be used for good or evil, that's just my 2 cent's worth.
 
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If I may comment, just as one who has fairly extensive experience with growing food and preserving it.....

Grapes would have been harvested and either pressed or dried in July-August (the feast of new wine is held in late July).

I'm sure some non-alcoholic juice was enjoyed sweet and fresh but the majority of the harvest would have begun to ferment (or spoil) almost immediately.

Since the grape crop comes in all at once it has to be preserved all at once. Unlike modern wine producers who only make their wares available after a specific number of months of aging, ancient wine was likely enjoyed at random intervals throughout the year, and the alcohol level would correspond to the number of months since the last grape harvest.

"New wine" was described as an active fermentation product, which is why Jesus said not to put new wine in old bottles (the fermentation gasses would burst them), but of course we know He was actually talking about The Holy Spirit. Anyways......

Active fermentation products contain live yeasts and other probiotic cultures that are extremely beneficial to gut health, so Paul encouraging Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach was actually spot-on.... it probably would have been more like taking a shot of strong kombucha, though we know it was possible to get drunk on new wine if you had enough of it. The key would be moderation.

Actually, many used animal bladders and such for fermenting wine, as His parables point to; new bladders expand with the fermentation whereas old ones would break.

Jesus did utilize water vessels when He turned water into highly fermented wine.
 
The term for wine in the Bible is the same for juice that is either fermented or unfermented.
The way to know the difference is the context. Some passages it is not black and white clear when looking at the isolated passage.

I have recommended 100% Cranberry juice aka non-alcoholic Biblically speaking wine for Urinary problems. Everyone I know of who has drunk a jar of it upon initial symptoms has responded quickly. That's far better than many unfortunate others who have suffered from hospital treatments of cocktails of 5 different IV antibiotics and the best medicine LOT$ of $$$$$$$ can buy.
God proved to me that He is the Great Physician and the remedies that He created kick butt. Jesus and the Father win!

Yes, it mostly works except when you have a fierce antibiotic resistant strain!!

What do you mean by “non-alcoholic Biblically speaking wine?”
 
Alcohol is like a gun, both can be used for good or evil.
The Lord Jesus turned water into wine, and many drank and enjoyed the wedding more than they would have if the Lord Jesus didn't do that for them.
Some claim that the wine was only grape juice, and non alcoholic but most agree that it was alcoholic and not only that, the wine would have been a top shelf fine wine, the type rich people pay thousands of dollars for.


I was a drunkard, or (alcoholic) as they call it these days. My Pastor told me that drunkenness is a sin and no drunkard will inherit the Kingdom of God, but there's a big difference in drinking a glass of wine to celebrate something and drinking a bottle to inebriate oneself.

We hear people say, guns should be banned, but a gun is an inanimate object with no life of it's own. So it needs a psychopath to use it for evil purposes. Likewise alcohol can be used for good or evil, that's just my 2 cent's worth.

You’re spot on, well said!!

This is why I say food and drink are the same thing, you just have to know yourself. Thank you Lord for both food and drink!!
 
I've used beverage alcohol for personal solvent extracts of medicinal plants. When I use it, it's one or two dropperfuls. The nutrients are extracted and concentrated for proper dosages. They provide me what drugs cannot.
As far as health benefits of alcohol as an ingredient, I honestly know of none. Do you?

The thing I see consistently is that most preachers apply to I Timothy 5:23 an alcohol perspective.
I personally don't care one way or another what you drink. I'm just not convinced that you preachers are right about God commanding Timothy to drink an alcoholic beverage. Anyone who has studied basic gastroenterology knows that the last thing you want to suggest to someone suffering from a stomach or gut problem is alcohol. Water is of more benefit.
However, I have seen the grace of God recently and last year from use of specific organic juices. Certain varieties of Unoxidized fresh or bottled/jar juices contain beneficial components/phytochemicals that exceed the synthetic chemicals Rxd by medical drs. in my experiences.
I've had good results from imbibing pomegranate juice. It has excellent anti-inflammatory properties. I gave up alcohol in 1992 after seeing what destruction it can cause in families. Don't miss it a bit.
 
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Yes, God loves all of us because He sent His Son to die for all of us. Praise Him!

What He doesn’t like is disobedience. He hates anyone adding to/ taking away from His word.

“Sister”…… :)

Thanks I am male, yet all are reconciled by God at the cross once for us all. Not all have received this yet. God still for now presently daily reaching out to all continued from the day of the cross of Son for us all to receive and be new in love and mercy too, Even from day one in the first Adam.

Never has liked unbelief t his love and mercy, and never will. So I put no trust in me or anyone else either Phil 3
 
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Yes, it mostly works except when you have a fierce antibiotic resistant strain!!

What do you mean by “non-alcoholic Biblically speaking wine?”

Where do people get those Fierce antibiotic resistant strains?

Answer: They get them at the places that destroy their immune systems with "food" unfit for human (or any other creature) consumption.
They get them at places where filthy bacteria laden Drs and nurses and respiratory and OTs spread germs from one sick person to many others.
Rather than boost immunity, they destroy it.
CDif, MRSA, VRSA strains of bacteria are caused by hospital employees.
 
I'm curious, did your Dad and Uncle "can" the juice, aka pasteurize it and put it in sterilized Mason jars with the special sealed lids? That's definitely a viable modern option (that I have used myself), but it did not come into practice until the 1800s.

I'm curious if they maybe used a more ancient method, like one that would have been available during Jesus's time?

I've never heard of non-alcoholic kombucha but I'm glad you found some you like! 😎 Does it still have the live cultures in it? I'm trying to think how it could have the cultures and still be ZERO alcohol, even sourdough has a little bit of alcohol in it. 🤔

I bought 2 two gallon jars to make it when I get around to it.
I'm probably going to ferment vegetables before I try it, when I can find a real good sale.

I'm not the one to ask on the process, but there are a lot of YouTube videos on it. I was considering selling a neighbor's brand of non-alcoholic kombucha before setbacks. I spoke to the owner and his chemist at length.
It's an interesting process.
He planned to eventually get a state liquor license for brewing so he can sell an alcohol version of it.


That's neat that you made that too! 🥤🙂👍
Dad and my uncle did use the method you mentioned.
The glass jars make it easy compared to the likely less consistent methods of ancient times before manufacturing.
All that they needed were sterile sealed containers and boiled juice for long term storage.
 
Actually, many used animal bladders and such for fermenting wine, as His parables point to; new bladders expand with the fermentation whereas old ones would break.

Jesus did utilize water vessels when He turned water into highly fermented wine.

Yes that is true, the parable I was referring to does mention wineskins rather than bottles. Fresh juice was put in the wineskins first while most of the fermentation was happening, so that both could be preserved.
 
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I've had good results from imbibing pomegranate juice. It has excellent anti-inflammatory properties. I gave up alcohol in 1992 after seeing what destruction it can cause in families. Don't miss it a bit.


That was a very tough thing in my family too. It wasn't like the family member drank a lot at one time or was ever considered drunk. It did cause a lot of pain from the effects though. It eventually damaged his heart and organs badly.

Funny you'd mention pomegranate juice.
, I was having some inflammation last week that got concerning. I drank a jar that I kept on hand and cranberry juice too, took supplements and it cleared up very well.
 
Where do people get those Fierce antibiotic resistant strains?

Answer: They get them at the places that destroy their immune systems with "food" unfit for human (or any other creature) consumption.
They get them at places where filthy bacteria laden Drs and nurses and respiratory and OTs spread germs from one sick person to many others.
Rather than boost immunity, they destroy it.
CDif, MRSA, VRSA strains of bacteria are caused by hospital employees.

Not always!! There are many other places you can pick this up. And unfortunately, it’s on the rise.
 
you've completely ignored everything I actually said

What was said was faulty and not biblical so no need to answer that which comes from devils.



If God's laws are as strict as you claim

I'm not the one claiming the Lord is strict, he is:

Hebrews 2:2,3
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!
Do you happen to attend at the First Church of God Mockers by chance? clueless-scratching.gif

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.




Maybe you should inform Jesus, since He made the best wine ever, and drank. Lol

You cannot prove from scripture that Jesus drank alcoholic wine.

You can speculate all you'd like but you cannot prove it.



-Surely you jest, this of course is a big lie! Nobody is condoning drugs.

The OSAS heretics among us claim people that do drugs and live in all manner of sin will still go to Heaven so this is actually a thing now days and is taught by the false teachers

No they don't come right out and say "hey, let's all go live in sin: - but what they do say is it's not possible for one to lose their salvation even if they were to be living in sin so they are in fact giving the green light to live in sin.

These people even go around proudly proclaiming they are still sinners as though it's a badge of honor not knowing they have been deceived by the devil.

The Lord speaks of these people thru the Apostle Peter:

2 Peter 2:12-14
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

This is speaking of believers who go back to living in sin saying "shall receive the reward of unrighteousness" saying that they "cannot cease from sin" calling them "cursed children" due to their corruption

These people refuse to repent of their sin and continue walking after the flesh, so their end is bad - very very bad.
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I listen to God’s word, not man’s word and traditions.

And the Lord does not instruct his people to drink alcohol so there goes that excuse out the window.cool-shocked.gif



You are a contradiction to Scripture!!

Only to those who are ignorant of what the scripture teach as they have been blinded by the dark spirits that guide them in to advocating for sinful behavior.



Honestly, @HigherGospel might just be a troll here to cause strife to make Christians look bad.

Actually the ones advocating for sinful behavior are in strife against the Lord




you, unfortunately do not see the love and mercy given to us all to believe God and be set free

Actually I do which is why I'm free from sinful behavior that other in this thread are advocating for.

God is not mocked, we reap what we so - those that sow to the flesh (sin) reap corruption

Are you claiming it's OK for Christians to live in sin and not reap corruption? That is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

God's grace does NOT abound to cover those who are living in sin refusing to repent and stop living in sin:

Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.



The truth sets people free

That's not what Jesus actually said:


John 8:31-32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him, If ye continue in My Word, then are ye My disciples indeed; And ye
shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free.

Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

John 17:17
Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy word is Truth.

IF a person continues in God's Word then they will know the Truth and the Truth will set them free.

Problem is today very few continue in His Word preferring instead to have itching ears listening to the false teachers who are oh so happy to tickle their ears for them and the people love it so!



This is what I call a hammy-down gospel, it’s full of man-made doctrine instead of actual God given doctrine.

Which of course is why so many advocate for sinful behavior such as drinking booze.



What He doesn’t like is disobedience.

None to worry, the ear ticklers (false teachers) are happy to tickle people's ears and tell them even if they are living in sin they are still saved.

And so now we have many living in sin claiming to be Christians clueless-doh.gif

2 Peter 2:12-14
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:


I'm kind of shocked that one who claims to be a follower of Christ would use science to support his doctrine.

Science has also prove jumping off of a tall building is dangerous due to gravity being real.

But by all means go ahead and jump and see what happens.

Not all science is bad. Observational science is really very simple in that all they are doing over a long period of time is observing the effects of how the body reacts to certain things such as alcohol consumption.

Just like they did with cigarettes, it has been proven that alcohol damages the body and that no amount of alcohol consumption is safe for the body

Which is why 1 Corinthians 3:16,17 is applicable to alcohol and cigarettes just like it is applicable to suicide

The only difference being suicide sends people to hell faster than alcohol and cigarettes



you didn't even cite one alcohol study from the scriptures!

There are no studies in scripture claiming alcohol is safe and does not damage the body.